wannabefisher

Spoken for now, thanks everyone.

Whoever wants them can arrange for a courier to pick them up from my address, Evri is £4. PM me

Should have mentioned, will send as the whole lot or nothing - don't want to spend ages splitting them up.

I don't suppose these have any real value, but it seems a shame to bin them if anyone would enjoy taking them off me. At least one of each of the following: Will send for free if you arrange a courier collection.

keep .223 and get a .308.

I started out using the remingtons, then went to hornady red, then blue when they became available. I never found POI changed at all between different brands. I've always been under the impression (and believe it is well "known") that all of the 17HMR BT ammo comes from the hornady factory, regardless of what the package says, and they are supposed to be identical except for the colour. However, where I buy my ammo the blue tips are £85 a slab, and the red tips £115(I seem to recall). I know that initially this was meant to be Hornady dumping some HM2 bullets, but then they made up another batch after that. If the blue and the red tips are identical, what possible incentive would hornady have for selling one of them at a 25% discount? Conversely though, if they were different, why does Hornady not market the difference so as to justify the massive price differential? It doesn't add up to me.

75%? When I say straight through I mean it goes through with no expansion (hornady blue tips). Normally I think I've missed the rabbit because it has no report at all, but then it falls down dead. Upon inspection theres usually no sign (unless you skin it) of any damage whatsoever. It happens at ranges from 30m upwards, maybe 5% of the time. I agree that what I was told sounds unlikely, but the gun shop man reckoned it was a well known phenomenon so I thought I would see if anyone else had heard about it.

Y local gun shop told me recently that 17HMR bullets expand more reliably when fired from 16" barrels than from longer ones. This came about because I mentioned that from my 19" barrels I get a small but significant number that go straight through a bunny. Apparently Edgar Brothers, who import Hornady ammo to the UK are running tests to see if they can get to the bottom of it. Anyone else heard about this?

thats exactly what i have I'll just add one point to the discussion. I got a .243 with the aim of being able to shoot light loads on foxes and heavy loads on deer. My gun (sako 75) absolutely hates heavy bullets. It groups 58gn normas sub 1MOA, but anything over 90gn is impossible to group. No exageration, the heavy bullets do well to hit an 8" square target at 100m. so be careful if you want a .243 for everything - different guns like different things.

good luck with that at the GMK stand... I know someone who ordered an 85 finnlight in .308 from them last September and they still haven't had any guns from Finland as of yet

why's that then? I know its more hassle when the guts get pierced, but nothing you cant wash off?

I have a friend who is working with a TV production company making a short documentary on the MacNab. They're following a few challengers trying to complete the challenge and are looking for some background information, facts and advice. I'm hoping someone on here might be able to help: - Has anyone here ever completed the challenge? - Who's done it fastest? - Where's the best place to try and complete it Any input would be appreciated!

shades have no effect on light gathering

not always. I think people who have shot many different 10/22s will agree that the problem is consistency - some of the standard barrels are great, some are terrible. Mine got about 4" at 60m, now it is incomparably better with a green mountain barrel.

sign me up for some of that please

i see. I had assumed there was a safety reason behind it

why?

the problem is it just depends on what you are comparing it against. If it's a 22lr then you would say it is not very affected by wind, if it's a 22-250 then you would say it is. Given that for most people the choice in guns is between .17 and 22lr, not .17 and a CF, I would say that the .17 is not affected much by wind.

i shoot rabbits regularly at a distance I know to be 130-135m, and the prevailing wind is basically directly across that. I don't have a way of measuring the exact speed but when there is a "strong breeze" it can easily make you clean miss a rabbit completely if you don't change your aim. here are the raw ballistics for you too http://www.varmintal.com/17hmr.htm#Wind

a 17hmr will drift 5" over 125m in a 10mph cross wind. so lots compared to a CF, little compared to a 22rf

thanks I guess the difference this time is I've never shot two at once before, so never seen two sets of kidneys next to each other! still haven't been able to eat them yet normally they get eaten within a couple of hours

those lines might be machining marks and not grain, so metal not wood. The black spots would be corrosion. Something made of copper? the reticle from a scope maybe?

In this scenario POI is to do with where/how you hold the gun, and your grouping is related to your consistency in holding it that way. Therefore two people can hold it in different ways and get the same grouping but in a different place on the target

sako 75 .243, leupold mk4 6.5-20x50 will be getting a 308 finnlight soon, this gun is too bulky to stalk with comfortably

i'm not very fast. I guess it takes me about 10 minutes to gralloch each one. The last one I butchered took me about an hour from getting it out of my cellar to all the bits being in the fridge and the table cleaned up etc.