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5 minutes ago, lancer425 said:
Anyone know, if you get one of the pneumonia jabs. If it would prevent this virus turning into pneumonia or not. Probably a bit dangerous to get a phnumonia jab now but there you go. just asking.
Pneumonia can be either viral or bacterial. I believe the vaccine protects against most types of bacterial, but not I think viral. There is an NHS leaflet here https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pneumococcal-vaccination/
It doesn't directly answer the question because it doesn't state what type of pneumonia you may get as a consequence of COVID.
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29 minutes ago, strimmer_13 said:
Well ive been sent home for 2 weeks as I've developed a cough. Great.
I hope it turns out to be just 'a cough' as the usual coughs and colds are still around, but in any case, get well soon.
29 minutes ago, blackbird said:The NHS has been underfunded for years upon years
It's a difficult one - as it does have a VERY big budget already ..........
30 minutes ago, blackbird said:I think to date they are handling this terrible time superbly.
History will one day tell us, but from where we are now - I agree with you.
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9 minutes ago, grrclark said:
Who has claimed the anti-malarial drug to be helpful?
I cannot vouch for how 'true' it is, but it is in several places, this being one https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-queensland-researchers-find-cure-want-drug-trial/news-story/93e7656da0cff4fc4d2c5e51706accb5
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1 minute ago, grrclark said:
Many times much of what is posted is actually dangerous.
To be fair, the warning about Ibuprofen did come via 'official sources' both in France and the UK official website. As has been said, Paracetamol is the one they do suggest on the official websites ......
there is also a question about Ramipril which may make things worse. for those who take it ......... and no official answer other than not to discontinue any medication prescribed without guidance from the doctor (which you won't get at the moment.)
The anti malarial drug Chloroquine (?) has been claimed (in Australia) to be helpful and is a well proven and fully tested and licensed product. I don't think it has yet been firmly established as helpful, but both it and some sort of anti HIV existing medicine have apparently had good results. No doubt the scientists will be following up on these as a priority.
I also read that the first human trails of a possible vaccine started yesterday in the USA ...... the initial tests being for any unwanted side effects. There is no doubt that the scientists are trying all avenues.
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3 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:
It would have been a good first step.
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4 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:It's not difficult to find game or pigeon shells with plastic wads.
I assume you mean fibre wads!
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1 minute ago, Smokersmith said:
A sensible move would have been to liaise with cartridge manufacturers to remove plastic wadding from game and pigeon shooting cartridges.
Many (possibly even most) shoots have been doing 'fibre wads only' for years. When I ran a shoot way back in the 1980s through until about 2002 we were always fibre wads only - and the little farm shoot I am on now is (and always has been) fibre only. IF someone is seen to be using plastic - they have been asked to stop shooting - or change at once to fibre (we kept a few boxes handy in the LandRover) because our landlords would have cancelled our lease if they found plastic about.
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Just now, WestonSalop said:
We seem to be going through a period of shock - after all, nothing quite like this has happened in modern history. The initial impact as seen by many, seems to be "the end is nigh and nothing will ever be the same again".
You are right, of course, but hopefully, there will be a better awareness of the 'risks' associated with globalisation. I am no 'environmental warrior' but the massive reduction in air traffic, tourism etc. should be good for the environment (feel very sorry for those who will loose jobs as a result). I do think that the adjustments needed are going to be quite painful for us all.
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23 minutes ago, Westward said:
Poll tax was certainly much fairer than taxing people simply on the relative value of their property.
I'm not opposed to higher earners paying a higher rate of tax, I simply feel it's for HMRC to handle it nationally and that it's wrong at every level for local government to assess taxes using any observational assumption about wealth. The fact is a lot of people living in nicer or bigger homes got there by planning, budgeting and by being fiscally prudent, and compelling them to subsidise others, who in many cases have been less circumspect with their spending, is anathema to me.
Well put.
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Just now, bavarianbrit said:
I thought poll tax did not tax peoples children or those kids still in further education. Correct me please.
I believe you are quite correct.
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2 minutes ago, ditchman said:
i dont think many folk know what very bad flu is like............i had it once when i was 18 or 19
I have had it twice (in 62 years) and both times I was ill in bed for best part of 2 weeks. It is the longest time I have been ill in bed all my life. Flu is a very nasty illness. I was quoting what the good lady said - and she may not have had flu badly - but she did have the Covid thing and the good thing is that she is much better and expecting a full recovery quite quickly. Also the couple from the cruise ship (video from David and Sally Abel someone posted earlier in this thread) are better and back home. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-51895968
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Just now, Farmboy91 said:
I thought I'd read somewhere that there was atleast one case of a woman who had contracted it twice?
There certainly have been claims that is so - however this medical professional was adamant that she now had antibodies in place to deal with it. That does seem to be the general wisdom and also the reasoning behind the 'herd immunity' idea.
I have read that the 'getting it a second time' might simply be that the test is rather sensitive and may detect some remaining traces .......... or that there is more than one strain around.
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5 minutes ago, henry d said:
I went to my local surgery today as I have a very itchy rash on my back which the local pharmacist said was probably shingles
Get well soon; shingles can be unpleasant. I have not had it, but both friends and relatives have at various times.
On a brighter note - there was a doctor (or possibly other medical profession lady) on Radio 4 earlier. She has Covid 19 and is recovering. She said it was pretty unpleasant for 4 or 5 days, very achy and she was very tired, with a bad cough (all very like bad flu) but is now getting over it and expects now to have immunity and be able to go back to work quite soon and have no risk of catching it again. She was age 60.
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6 minutes ago, AVB said:
I don't expect everybody to agree but that's my view.
Broadly agree. The difference here is that there is more about this one that is currently 'unknown', and the reports of some quite severe effects coming in from other places (mainly Italy) is concerning.
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2 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:
hello, pause for thought, is is stated that those who have sadly died had underlying health issues, how many were previously at home ? hospital ? care home ? but never came into contact with a corvid 19 carrier ?
I'm not sure what is meant by "underlying health issues"?
It seems it can be anything from what I would call seriously ill and frail (such as needing oxygen, housebound, needing chemo, requiring regular hospital visits etc) through long term conditions like diabetes, asthma to minor ongoing things for which there is ongoing treatment like high blood pressure, past heart issues, cholesterol.
Some of those who have been on cruise ships were described as having 'underlying health issues' and yet were well enough to undertake a cruise.
My guess (and it is only a guess, though I have read of it being plausible) is that there are people 'at large' who have the condition without knowing it is corvid 19 and thing they have just a minor infection. Such people will not get tested even if they ask, and are unaware that they are spreaders.
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15 hours ago, washerboy said:
I pay £112 per month council tax
Imagine what it would be on the old poll tax system, me, wife and my son..
What extra would I get for the amount of money 3 of us would be churning out...
No thanks
Look at it from the other side;
I pay (after my single occupancy discount has been deducted) £220 a month - for a largeish 2 bedroom house which has been in the family for 60 years. For that I get the bin emptied (once a fortnight for recycling and similar for landfill, so a weekly visit), no public transport, (used to be regular buses) no street lighting (used to be some - but not for a long time now), no grass verges looked after (used to be regularly mown), all road drains been blocked for several years now and standing water as I write over an inch deep on the road (no pavements), scant police cover (if you can get through and it isn't easy you often only get a crime number and if they do come it takes at least 20 minutes, so they see it as a waste of time) (used to have two local bobby's within 2 miles), fire cover (which has been good when tested last year by a neighbour!), schooling if you have children, virtually no chance of help if you are elderly and infirm.
It has gone up by more than inflation (or pensions) in every year since the 'poll tax' except two years when it was 'frozen' despite getting less and less every year.
I regard it as VERY POOR value for money.
Under the poll tax, it was based on 'per adult person', so those who had several adults in the house (= several earners, more rubbish and more needs of council services/facilities) paid more, and those with a single person (= less costs/demands to the council) paid less.
That seems essentially 'fair'.
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9 minutes ago, Scully said:
If the cause isn’t established and no vaccine is found, won’t we just find ourselves in the same situation we are now?
I’m assuming it started with just one infected person in China, and if that’s all it takes then where does that leave us?Various 'hopes';
- That enough people will have had it and built up an immunity such that it has many less hosts and so can't spread nearly as easily. (The so called "herd immunity"). There is no certainty that having had it once will prevent it being caught again. Some (mainly) do give an immunity due to your body 'learning', though viruses mutate to get around this, others apparently don't - at least not for long as the body's immune system doesn't seem to 'remember' them. Apparently both SARS and MERS can be caught more than once.
- That a vaccine will be available - and like flu, measles etc., many will be protected by the vaccine - so again it will find it hard to spread (likely next year)
- That better treatments (such as a possible one found recently) may be available to reduce severity
- That (like Spanish flu), it will weaken and die out and/or become less severe
But overall, I think there is an acceptance that it is here to stay for the foreseeable future (like flu).
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3 hours ago, 30-6 said:
Why do ?
1- they allow drivers to do a u turn around mini roundabouts.
2- weather forecasters get it so wrong.
3- stupid, pathetic people stand behind reporters doing a live broadcast with a phone in their hand waving to someone watching the TV, even though the report could be about something really serious.
1 - To catch out the drivers of large 4 x4s which cannot get round in one
2 - Because they have a VERY large taxpayer funded computer and believe what it says (we all might if we knew the price). It is housed in a building with no windows, so they can't know they are wrong.
3 - This one has me baffled
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9 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:
It has to, people in good health will gain immunity and the virus will have to mutate considerably to carry on.
All being well we will look back in a couple of months and wonder why there was such an over reaction.
China had a VERY severe 'lock down' and draconian tactics much fiercer than are being practiced or suggested here. There is also some suggestion that the immunity is far from 100%, with at least some claimed examples of people getting it a second time. If we wish it to drop off as it did in China - we will have to 'do' a lot more than we are now.
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8 minutes ago, henry d said:
Ask yourself why any major nation not at war would use a biological weapon that could bite them in the backside?
Agreed; it has for many years been flagged as 'a risk' that viruses have and will cross from animals or birds to humans - and sooner or later one will be severe and virulent. It was always thought that probably the most likely geographical origin was in the far east where they have a less rigorous physical separation from 'food' animals and birds - and allegedly less good (mainly food) hygiene.
It looks like that risk has now 'happened'
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5 minutes ago, treetree said:
Just read Macron's speech closing the schools, says something very worrying along the lines " We need to prepare for the second wave which will hit younger people".
I'm not aware that has happened in China, but maybe it is yet to come?
Having listened to the Chief Scientist this morning (radio) - it seems that the virus initially causes a respiratory infection - which for most people lasts a few days and then passes (though this stage can be serious for people with respiratory of cardiac conditions) ........ but a proportion (low) go on to get an 'overreaction' from the immune system which is what causes the more serious troubles and can require hospitalisation. That seems to be what is causing most of the fatalities.
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9 minutes ago, TRINITY said:
Just another thought, I know of cases in Nigeria but so far there has been very little news about the virus in Africa. Could it be out there but due to their poor level of general health services could it be well and truly embedded but as yet generally undetected.
I think that is almost certainly a 'yes' - Africa has very close relations with China, with a lot of Chinese working there - and whatever the present situation in China is (much be fully under control, might not be) it is very likely that between December and say end Feb, someone from China will have travelled to Africa carrying the virus.
19 minutes ago, TRINITY said:Yes that's probably correct but I thought it was just direct travels of Friday night. There must be many eu citizens with Visa's in place to travel after that date.
I suspect that if your passport shows you to be a resident of some country on the 'no entry' list - you will not be allowed entry, visa or no visa.
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17 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:
I think it is either a mental disease or gross stupidity to continue to push your innocence
It can be a cultural thing. Just as we don't tolerate (what we call) bribery, in some cultures it is the normal way in which business is done, it being considered a commission, or arrangement fee.
In a similar way - our system is founded on an expectation of honesty (especially on oath), but in other cultures, the expectation that a person will say whatever it takes to protect themselves and their own interests is normal..
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4 minutes ago, old man said:
Sorry John but I found it nauseating and demeaning. I thought he was worth more than that, terrible tv?
No need to apologise, we have different opinions.
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10 minutes ago, Lord v said:
The official stats based on spread would indicate that the 60% is realistic but towards the top end and with no intervention - China was around 40%.
China has had 81,000 cases in a population of 1,400,000,000. How does that make 40%?
Most of these have been in Wuhan which has a population of about 11,000,000. So if ALL cases in China were in Wuhan (and most are) - that is still under 1% in Wuhan.
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This is based on the possibility that you may have got virus on your hands (maybe from a trolley, basket, or item), transferred a trace to the bags/goods. None of this is guaranteed because the virus seems to be able to remain active for quite long periods (probably up to a few days) on surfaces, but shows the general principles that can be applied. It seems quite high temperatures are needed to kill the virus (maybe 60C upwards) which is too hot to touch. Soap, 60% alcohol and bleaches kill it.