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That's rich coming from someone who demonstrably lacks even primary school level reading comprehension skills. Anyway, I seem to be able to string words together well enough to send you and your vax zealot buddies into a cognitive dissonant tail spin any time I feel like it, that's good enough for me.

Finally!, he chickens out 🤯 Hopefully this means I won't have to deal with your inane ramblings ever again.

Does that mean the jokes are clean? 😜

Let's cut out the middleman then. Post your email address here and I'll send you stuff for as long as you want, and probably quite a bit longer.

um that was about 859 posts ago 😁

Agreed. The science is not "settled" on either side of the debate(s) so we need to continue to look at all emerging signals to try to come to rational decisions about what is going on.

Tell you what, get a moderator to come on here and tell us all it's OK for me to make 1300 separate posts for no better reason than to cater to your inability to recognise a figure of speech for what it is, and I'll do it. For what it's worth I'm a techie and I'd automate the posting process so I wouldn't actually be sitting here posting them any more than you would be sitting there reading them.

A bit premature aren't we... You might find the following maths a bit difficult but you should be able to keep up if you concentrate. The single page I posted had links to 1300 scholarly studies. Let's say a day is 12 hours, that's 12 x 60 x 60 = 43,200 seconds 43,200/1300 = 33.23^ So from that one page of links I could post one every 33 seconds for 12 hours. So yes I could post links all day... But I doubt the moderators would like that and you could always just work your way down the page already posted and educate yourself.

I could, but no point going to all that trouble for people without the will or intelligence to read them. I presume you were looking in a mirror when you typed this 😜

Not at all. The studies Kirsch cited were mostly sourced from the US government. In that context there is no need to concern ourselves with his background.

You directed him to Google knowing he would find page after page of hit pieces by "fact checkers" which he would take as an excuse not to read further. But Gordon said he accepted the challenge, so will he read all those .gov docs or concede there's more data than he can handle?

well it didn't take long for the usual trash-the-source non-argument to pop up but take out every word written by Kirsch and you're left with a list of ~1300 articles/studies outlining adverse events - most of which have .gov in the URL. So I guess the US government is now a wicked vaccine misinformation spreader 🤔

Get back to me when you've read through all these and I'll post another one for you. https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/vaccine-adverse-reaction-articles

The VAERS data are stats, you are just incapable of seeing them for what they are. I could post stats all day but the outcome will be the same - someone will post a fact-check or wikipedia page claiming they are misinformation from an unreliable source - but no one will actually take up the gauntlet and engage in a reasoned discussion about what they actually mean. Here's a summary of many of the strongest arguments against the covid vaccine. Anyone want to pick one of the points raised and actually debate it rather than employing the usual trash-the-source or appeal to authority non-arguments? https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-evidence

To determine that, mass autopsies would be required to determine whether the actual cause of death could be attributed to a vaccine. Very few autopsies have been done on covid victims and likely fewer still on suspected vaccine deaths, which is very convenient for a particular narrative. However, every report to VAERS is filed by someone (usually a medical professional) who considers the vaccine has played a role in the death, so it's reasonable to assume this will be the case in a significant percentage of reported cases. What really matters in this data is the comparison between vaccine deaths and the historical baseline - VAERS was conceived as an early warning system for vaccine adverse events so it's questionable that such a large signal is being written off as having no significance. Also, studies have found that VAERS only captures a small fraction of actual vaccine adverse events, so whatever proportion of the deaths reported to VAERS are actually caused by the covid (and other) vaccines would only represent a fraction of actual deaths in the population at large. If you were an adult you would be mature enough to realise that the sky doesn't actually fall when someone expresses an opinion or shares data that conflicts with your own beliefs. Ignore it and get on with your life.

Will be interesting to see if Dr Aseem Malhotra's stellar career now goes into a death-spiral as seems to be the pattern for doctors who dare to go against the official narrative.

Fair enough. Anyone else want to have a go at explaining away the signals in the VAERS data?

So what IS the explanation for the massive spike in reported deaths following the covid jab rollout? It's all very well to claim anti-vaxxers are misrepresenting the data but we need to see a convincing alternative explanation. Could you give a summary of how you think relative reporting rates data "does not support these claims", with evidence? In any case there is a wealth of data-points which support the "occams razor" interpretation of the Vaers data. For example the released FDA docs show ~1200 deaths were reported to Pfizer within three months of the release of their vaccine. Should we assign Pfizer and the FDA to the anti-vaxx sin bin too?

Cue a flood of protests that this doesn't really show what it appears to... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality

Then they would be wrong - just like you

A ridiculous question given that even water and air have actual and possible side-effects. The difference is that water and air are essential to life, whereas the covid jabs have no proven benefits.

Cue Ordnance to pop up like a sock-puppet saying you're preventing people from making informed decisions by exposing them to anti-vax conspiracy nonsense 🤔

While the conventional "wisdom" was that there is no effective early treatment for Covid and you had to just sit around and wait to see if you couldn't breath, at which point they would put you on a ventilator and pump Remdesivir into you, Dr Peter McCullough developed an early outpatient sequential multidrug treatment protocol which has been used by himself and other physicians worldwide with a near 100% success rate in preventing hospitalisations and deaths. There will always be Ignorami jeering from the sidelines but it's people like McCullough who get in the ring and slug it out with the beast and come away a winner who deserve to be listened to. What a load to tosh. I hope I don't have to explain to anyone other than Ordnance how idiotic this "fact check" actually is.

The thing is, if the US did this then it's effectively an act of war against Europe. ~~~ "Very bad things are likely inbound for Europe this winter, all on the basic fact that all modern civilization progress has come from carbon-based fuels. I don't care if you like this or not; it's fact. All the WEF-maven sorts fly around in planes fueled with..... carbon. Equally-seriously modern agriculture is absolutely dependent on this, in particular natural gas which is the major feedstock for modern fertilizers, and European farming uses far more of them on a per-acre basis than we do in the US. It's how they get their yields and without them, well...... yeah. Never mind industry which, if forced to shut down cannot simply be turned back on. Plants that run on a continuous basis frequently have "hot sections" that, if cooled, require weeks or months of refurbishment and a graduated restart procedure; it is not a "light switch" sort of operation. Be careful thinking this is no big deal folks -- you're likely very wrong about that." Karl Denninger