Tin Man Work Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 (edited) Hi I use a Hushpower 12g Mossberg Pump for pest control, and am currently using the Eley Hushpower game cartridges - 30g fibre 6's. I plan to reload the empty cases and have got my MEC, scales and some shot, etc but am having some difficulty with getting the right reloading formula sorted out. Taking an Eley Hushpower cartridges apart gives the wad size and weight of powder, etc, but without knowing what type of powder and primer combination that is I don't want to be guessing with this! Ian at C&G doesn't have subsonic load data, and the main cartridge and powder manufacturers don't want to talk about it - Ian suggested downloading the powder charge using a medium burn powder such as Vectan A1 to keep the muzzle velocity below 1100fps, and that is a progressive powder suitable for larger bores and heavier loads - but I am not sure about setting out to experiment too much as it's a complicated balancing act and I don't know enough about it. Does anyone have any experience or advice? I have been researching this for a while now but have stalled to the point where I am going to buy another load of the Eley Hushpowers (and would much rather use that cash to reload the empty hulls sat waiting!). Many thanks in advance for any information. Edited September 30, 2009 by Tin Man Work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Here you go 70mm PT case CX2000 primer 15.0 grains Vectan AS 3mm Card+20mm Fibre+5mm Cork wad 28g lead shot 1040/317 fps/ ms Sub-Sonic 6pt crimp I am suprised that Ian couldn't help you as this info is on his reloading data CD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Here you go 70mm PT case CX2000 primer 15.0 grains Vectan AS 3mm Card+20mm Fibre+5mm Cork wad 28g lead shot 1040/317 fps/ ms Sub-Sonic 6pt crimp I am suprised that Ian couldn't help you as this info is on his reloading data CD I have tried that recipe and found it to be far slower than the stated velocity along with quite a variation in velocity. I have cured a similar problem in .410 by adding a small amount more powder (1grain), which created enough pressure to make it burn properly turning it into a very even and consistent load but never pursued this with the 12g. Any light 20g subsonic loads (less than 28gram)would be appreciated on this thread too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 If you can russel up some old nobel 80/82 there are some subsonic loads on Ian's cd for 20 bore 3/4 & 7/8 oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Man Work Posted October 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Many thanks for the help fellas - I was sure Ian would be the source for what I was after but his e-mail came back with: I don't have any subsonic formulas for 12ga. The only ones I have work on are for .410 that are completely different to 12ga. Basically any medium burn propellant will work, its just a matter of keeping your muzzle velocity below 1100 fps. You can do this by downloading on the powder charge. Although I have no data for it, Vectan A1 could be a starter as it is designed to be used with 28 to 32 gram loads of Lead shot. Most dealers stock it if they're into reloading. I'll start with the menu in the post above and go from there - I'll keep this feed going to let people know how I get on with this as I'm sure there's interest in working this out. Thanks again, and watch this space............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I have one of Ian's data sheets for vectan A1 and it gives a load for 24gram load using a 70mm pt case , cx 2000 primer 17 grains of vectan A1 and a b&p z-27 wad with a 6 pt crimp , Giving 1090 fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Man Work Posted October 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Thanks fellas - much appreciated. There is a line of thought out there that the retail subsonic cartridges are made with special powders with a long batch life - well if that's the case then it's out of my reach so I will be working another approach to sorting out my reloading. After talking to a few experienced people I will be base my reload on the Eley Hushpower, using a medium burn powder and CX2000 primer, replicating the load charge and wad of the Eley, and changing single variables (a grain, etc) at a time to see what the results are. I am comfortable that the pressures will be well within the safe limit of the Mossberg (chambered for 3" Magnums) so will be out with a chronograph (when I get my hands on one) to assess what the results are with fps, pattern and penetration with No6 shot. I don't know when there'll be any news but will certainly come back to update this thread. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshboy Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Thanks fellas - much appreciated. There is a line of thought out there that the retail subsonic cartridges are made with special powders with a long batch life - well if that's the case then it's out of my reach so I will be working another approach to sorting out my reloading. After talking to a few experienced people I will be base my reload on the Eley Hushpower, using a medium burn powder and CX2000 primer, replicating the load charge and wad of the Eley, and changing single variables (a grain, etc) at a time to see what the results are. I am comfortable that the pressures will be well within the safe limit of the Mossberg (chambered for 3" Magnums) so will be out with a chronograph (when I get my hands on one) to assess what the results are with fps, pattern and penetration with No6 shot. I don't know when there'll be any news but will certainly come back to update this thread. Cheers Any update on this please ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Gould Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hi I use a Hushpower 12g Mossberg Pump for pest control, and am currently using the Eley Hushpower game cartridges - 30g fibre 6's. I plan to reload the empty cases and have got my MEC, scales and some shot, etc but am having some difficulty with getting the right reloading formula sorted out. Taking an Eley Hushpower cartridges apart gives the wad size and weight of powder, etc, but without knowing what type of powder and primer combination that is I don't want to be guessing with this! Ian at C&G doesn't have subsonic load data, and the main cartridge and powder manufacturers don't want to talk about it - Ian suggested downloading the powder charge using a medium burn powder such as Vectan A1 to keep the muzzle velocity below 1100fps, and that is a progressive powder suitable for larger bores and heavier loads - but I am not sure about setting out to experiment too much as it's a complicated balancing act and I don't know enough about it. Does anyone have any experience or advice? I have been researching this for a while now but have stalled to the point where I am going to buy another load of the Eley Hushpowers (and would much rather use that cash to reload the empty hulls sat waiting!). Many thanks in advance for any information. does you mossberg pump cycle the 65mm shells oka ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshboy Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Any update on this please ? Bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Any update on this please ? use the search function before you dig up ancient posts. that way you`ll get information at your fingertips. here are some keywords. subsonic or hushpower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshboy Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 use the search function before you dig up ancient posts. that way you`ll get information at your fingertips. here are some keywords. subsonic or hushpower Well I did use the search facility that's how I got this thread. I have not been digging up ancient posts by reading them all ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabbers Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Cookoff has some good sub recipes! It would be nice if someone took an Hushpower cartridge apart and showed us whats in it! Can't buy em round ere except in bulk, that's what got me reloading! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Cookoff has some good sub recipes! It would be nice if someone took an Hushpower cartridge apart and showed us whats in it! Can't buy em round ere except in bulk, that's what got me reloading! you can bet your bottom dollar that there are components in them that you cant get. especially the powder. @op. powders you should look into are, hodgdons titewad, vectan AS, redot, lowsonic, hodgden clays,etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon slayer Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 you can bet your bottom dollar that there are components in them that you cant get. especially the powder. @op. powders you should look into are, hodgdons titewad, vectan AS, redot, lowsonic, hodgden clays,etc. hi all iv been playing around with sub sonic 12g loads for ages now and believe that ive cracked it 70mm case rem 209 primer 21 grains of herco powder 20mm fibre wad 36 grams number 4s it an excellant load, cycles in my semi and is just as quiet as the ****y eley hushpower 32g 6s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) massarge deleted. Edited February 8, 2012 by cookoff013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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