.223

[deadeye ive]

Gents

 

 

What is the effect on a .223 round when shooting through strands of grass .I'm not talking about thick clumps of it but 12" high strands .

My reason for this question is quite simply that whilst adopting the prone posistion on a 6-9 Harris with the cross airs on charlie fox there was a few strands of grass in the sight picture and the distance was around 125yds.

 

Would accuracy have been affected as i refrained from pulling the trigger due to the lie of the land and other factors.???

 

Yes i know ,,,,,,invest in shooting sticks or a larger Harris to solve this problem

 

 

 

Cheers Ive

 

 

Edited for spelling errors

Edited September 24, 2005 by deadeye ive

[dunganick]

supprisingly large difference, i dont know what its like on a target, but i know its made me gut shoot rabbits with the 222, when i intended to boiler room them, this is only like 1-2 inches though and was at 175yrds

 

it makes a difference, but i wouldnt think it would make you miss charlie if it was under 200yards

 

shoot some targets and find out, remeber to report back if you do

[deadeye ive]

OK

 

At a risk of trying to answer my own question ,is it true that a blade of grass can cause a nosler ballistic tip bullet to fragment

 

 

 

Ive

[dunganick]

i wouldnt have thought so to be honest, but i cant say for certain, its certainly wont help thats for sure.

[jonno 357]

OK :o

 

At a risk of trying to answer my own question ,is it true that a blade of grass can cause a nosler ballistic tip bullet to fragment

 

 

 

Ive

YES

 

 

Jonno

[enniskillen]

Yes agree with jonno,they will fragment.

[henry d]

Yes that is it`s job.

[dunganick]

i am doubtful, not that this means i am correct

 

this intrests me, might have to do some tests, problem being i cant afford to shoot 50 222 or hornet to test, might have to make do with rimmy, or maybe hmr if i get one

[deadeye ive]

Thanks gents for the replies.

Just to take this a bit further are you lads that have said yes it will basing your opinion from out in the field experience?

 

Cheers Ive

[dunganick]

i found it whilst in the field shooting targets, you look at the target and its all over the place, you look for a cause check the screws etc, then set the gun down again and notice you have half of kents grass in the path of the bullet

 

i was seeing deviances of about 1 inch or so @ 100 with the 222, and removing the grass or moving forwards sorted the accuracy completely, but this wasnt very scientific, nor was it very smart on my part

[jonno 357]

i am doubtful, not that this means i am correct

 

this intrests me, might have to do some tests, problem being i cant afford to shoot 50 222 or hornet to test, might have to make do with rimmy, or maybe hmr if i get one

Thought you said you shoot several hundred clays a week Nick ? Surely 50 triple 2's aren't that much for a man of your calibre to worry about money

 

Anyway Deadeye. I have had a couple of 17hmr shatter before impact

 

Jonno

[Gemini]

I hit a thistle with a .243 Spitzer and it blew up before it hit the fox.

I just couldn’t understand why I had missed as it was only a 150yd shot, and it was only when I walked the shot through that I saw the broken stalk in the shot-path. :*)

Don’t shoot through grass with any ballistic tipped bullet….they will either blow up or deflect very severely.

G.M.

[Big Dog]

I would agree with Gemini, not because he is alway right (compilment) but the bit of research I have done, not scientific, but talking to shooters and reading about it, ballistic tips are a totally different ball game. This is one reason why using rimmy B/tips is good on land that may be liable to ricochet, the bullet explodes if it hits anything. I believe that would include grass or growth of any kind ?

 

I talked to one guy with a HMR who claimed to have put of 100s of rounds without 1 ricochet. I would assume the Hornets up to would be similar.

 

Nick, I don't think testing with a 22 rimmy would give you a picture of what the 222 would do. For example comparing a 22 sub to a 222 FMJ?? I think the 22 would deflect real easy.

 

Just my thoughts??

[Frank]

I agree, especially with the .204 v.max bullets i use to use, when i had the .204.

I missed a bunny once, it hit a thick strand of grass before the rabbit and i could see threw the scope the bullet exploding before it got to the rabbit. :o Pity i did not see the blade of grass first.

Edited September 27, 2005 by Frank

[dunganick]

i am doubtful, not that this means i am correct

 

this intrests me, might have to do some tests, problem being i cant afford to shoot 50 222 or hornet to test, might have to make do with rimmy, or maybe hmr if i get one

Thought you said you shoot several hundred clays a week Nick ? Surely 50 triple 2's aren't that much for a man of your calibre to worry about money

 

Anyway Deadeye. I have had a couple of 17hmr shatter before impact

 

Jonno

yeh, but the 222 is handloaded and cartridges are cheap, seems a bit fo a waste to shoot hundreds of handloaded rounds just to see if it effects the POI

 

i will put some kind of experiment together if i get a hmr at some point, but im a while off that anyway.

[jonno 357]

222 "Cheap as Chips"

 

Handloading is even cheaper than factory ammo. Its only about a tenners worth of ammo.

 

Surley you could cut down on your clay shooting. How many clays did you shoot a week ? 250 plus. 15000 in a year a bit

 

What is the exact cost for the carts and clays for say 200 a week Nick ?

 

 

Jonno

[deadeye ive]

Don’t shoot through grass with any ballistic tipped bullet….they will either blow up or deflect very severely.

This was exactly the reason i refrained from pulling the trigger as i had read an article somewhere on this senario ,,,,,,,,Its just unbelievable that a blade of grass can cause a ballistic tip to fragment but from reading these replies it is oviously the case.

 

Once again lads thank you for putting my mind at rest and confirming i did the right thing as as in the original question i intend to elevate my firing posistion from now on.

 

 

Cheers Ive

[dunganick]

222 "Cheap as Chips"

 

Handloading is even cheaper than factory ammo. Its only about a tenners worth of ammo.

 

Surley you could cut down on your clay shooting. How many clays did you shoot a week ? 250 plus. 15000 in a year a bit

 

What is the exact cost  for the carts and clays for say 200 a week Nick ?

 

 

Jonno

your a tough man to please jonno

 

i actually said i shot that many clays over a year and a bit (a year and 4 months if i recall that topic), which i do, however clay carts are cheap and i dont handload them, however handloads (222) are also cheap, but time consuming, 50 rounds of 222 measured to the degree which all of our loads are, i.e all check weighed indivdually, will take the better part of 2 hours to complete. me and my dad do not sit at home watching tv and handloading, it takes 100% concentration so with school work, jobs and shooting the things it leaves precious little time to actually make them.

 

the money is not such an issue, although not being my money in this case it is an area i tread carefully in.

 

if your so intrested surely you could fund it, as you mentioned handloads are cheap, i assume you handload :o

 

and i couldnt tell you what 200 clays and carts cost, carts are bought in bulk, and clays are about £9 a 50 i normally shoot 100 or 100 plus skeet, so its a day of about £45 probably including carts, maybe £50, surely a man of your experiance is quite able to work this out, without a little sprog like me having to fill in the blanks

 

****

 

edited as it made no sense after my 14 hour stint at school

Edited September 27, 2005 by dunganick

[Big Dog]

I agree, especially with the .204 v.max bullets i use to use, when i had the .204.

I missed a bunny once, it hit a thick strand of grass before the rabbit and i could see threw the scope the bullet exploding before it got to the rabbit. Pity i did not see the blade of grass first.

Frank, why not just be totally honest and admit that you where shooting at the blade of grass :o

[jonno 357]

222 "Cheap as Chips"

 

Handloading is even cheaper than factory ammo. Its only about a tenners worth of ammo.

 

Surley you could cut down on your clay shooting. How many clays did you shoot a week ? 250 plus. 15000 in a year a bit

 

What is the exact cost  for the carts and clays for say 200 a week Nick ?

 

 

Jonno

your a tough man to please jonno

 

i actually said i shot that many clays over a year and a bit (a year and 4 months if i recall that topic), which i do, however clay carts are cheap and i dont handload them, however handloads (222) are also cheap, but time consuming, 50 rounds of 222 measured to the degree which all of our loads are, i.e all check weighed indivdually, will take the better part of 2 hours to complete. me and my dad do not sit at home watching tv and handloading, it takes 100% concentration so with school work, jobs and shooting the things it leaves precious little time to actually make them.

 

the money is not such an issue, although not being my money in this case it is an area i tread carefully in.

 

if your so intrested surely you could fund it, as you mentioned handloads are cheap, i assume you handload :o

 

and i couldnt tell you what 200 clays and carts cost, carts are bought in bulk, and clays are about £9 a 50 i normally shoot 100 or 100 plus skeet, so its a day of about £45 probably including carts, maybe £50, surely a man of your experiance is quite able to work this out, without a little sprog like me having to fill in the blanks

 

****

 

edited as it made no sense after my 14 hour stint at school

 

Yes I do handload.Dillion RL550 & Lyman turret. 2 hours to load 50 rounds ? F8ck me your quick aren't you.

 

You'll have to spend less time shooting your 288 clay pigeon per week and get some loading done. You might speed up

They always get caught out in the end

Edited September 28, 2005 by jonno 357

[dunganick]

do handload.Dillion RL550 & Lyman turret. 2 hours to load 50 rounds ? F8ck me your quick aren't you.

 

i think thats a Dillon rl550 & lyman turret B)

 

btw, copying your dvd tonight, if it works i will have the orginal off to you and a copy off it in the week.

[deadeye ive]

Nick

 

I was just about going to mention about not trying to burn the fingers off your left hand as well the right but from reading the above i don't clearly have to B)

 

 

Cheers Ive

[dunganick]

B)

 

its just a bit of harmless disagreement, jonno is welcome to his opinion of me, he's a nice chap and i dont think either of us take to heart what each other says.

[jonno 357]

Chill out Dude. Don't take the bait too easy B)

 

A little story for a Wednesday night

 

I picked the young un up from school this afternoon. Whilst I had parked the motor 2 blocks away and walk the rest of the way to school. Some people decide they are above the law and exempt from obeying the highway code.

 

Outside the school there is this big long **** off zig zag line school don't park here. Like you see in front of all schools in the UK.

 

Today it was ******* it down in sunny Calderdale, so this guy decided he would park smack in the middle of the zig zag right next to the lollipop woman, instead of parking away a walking.

 

Please bare in mind majority of the kids are picked up at schools by the mums and grandparents. As I came out of the school with my young un I collared this guy who had parked on the zig zags. For some reason I have a real anger mangement problem at the moment. I think it is something to do with stopped smoking.

 

I asked him if he thought he had any special reason why he could park on the zig zags. **** me! He bottled it there and then, caved in on the first question, stuttering and stamering. That was it time to lay into he in front of all the mums watching. At the end I went for the jugular and told him if I saw he park on the zig zags I would break both his ******* legs. Now I'm in the dog house cos the young un has told the missus the whole story

 

Jonno

[NorfolkBoy]

Good for you Jonno....... B) You can't beat PEDESTRIAN RAGE

 

Sounds like he got the message and it may just save someones life in the future....