Slug Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Has anyone been refused to be sold standard shotgun cartridges on a Section 1 ticket where the ticket clearly says 12 Bore Shotgun on the FAC and may or may not say "May also be used for clay pigeon shooting" ?, apparently you can be refused unless you have an SGC or the FAC has the "Clay" clause..at first glance this seems a bit odd, but I guess no odder than me asking for Solid Slug and producing a SGC for it...?.. I guess there must be people out there that just have FAC 12g and no SGC ?..Just wondered.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 You don't legally need a licence to buy sect 2 shotgun cartridges. RFD's just ask you to produce it to cover their bums if something goes wrong. I think I've only once forgotten my ticket and I was fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 You don't legally need a licence to buy sect 2 shotgun cartridges. RFD's just ask you to produce it to cover their bums if something goes wrong. I think I've only once forgotten my ticket and I was fine was that because they know you? i believe you dont need a certificate to possess them but you certainly do to purchase them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 was that because they know you?i believe you dont need a certificate to possess them but you certainly do to purchase them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I do not have "Clays" on mine as I don't shoot them but I can assure you that I can still buy cartridges otherwise I would not be able use it for vermin etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 was that because they know you?i believe you dont need a certificate to possess them but you certainly do to purchase them. I remember reading not long ago that there is actually no legal requirement to have a licence to buy cartridges. It was one of those moments where I sat back in amazement, so I think I might have lost the plot if I've got mixed up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Under chapter 2 of the firearms law book: A shot gun certificate is not required to possess or acquire shot gun cartridges containing five or more shot, none of which exceeds .36 inch in diameter. All ordinary shot cartridges are covered by this description. However, a shot gun certificate (or firearm certificate authorising possession of a section 1 shot gun) is normally required to purchase shot gun cartridges. All single bulleted ammunition, for example solid slug, spherical ball or projectiles for birdscaring equipment, is subject to the requirement for a firearm certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 You can have them and be gifted them, but you have to have a certificate of some type to purchase them. When I moved over here I had a couple boxes of shotgun carts in my moving stuff and was slightly concerned as I didn't have my certificates yet. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted February 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 I do not have "Clays" on mine as I don't shoot them but I can assure you that I can still buy cartridges otherwise I would not be able use it for vermin etc. Thats a good point, I guess I meant you have "Reason" to possess Section 2 ammo, because my "Reason" is PSG and the police won't put S2 ammo on a S1 ticket you need a reason Under chapter 2 of the firearms law book: A shot gun certificate is not required to possess or acquire shot gun cartridges containing five or more shot, none of which exceeds .36 inch in diameter. All ordinary shot cartridges are covered by this description. However, a shot gun certificate (or firearm certificate authorising possession of a section 1 shot gun) is normally required to purchase shot gun cartridges. All single bulleted ammunition, for example solid slug, spherical ball or projectiles for birdscaring equipment, is subject to the requirement for a firearm certificate. So we are agreed then we do need a ticket to "Purchase" but not acquire or possess ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Slug An interesting point is that the "guidance" says that when once one has established primary good reason for a S1 shotgun. in your case practical and mine vermin, the police should also condition you for clays. I have not requested this because as I said I do not shoot them. However in your case I would have thought an approach to your firearms manager requesting this condition would succeed and therefore allow you to purchase cartridges without hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted February 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Slug An interesting point is that the "guidance" says that when once one has established primary good reason for a S1 shotgun. in your case practical and mine vermin, the police should also condition you for clays. I have not requested this because as I said I do not shoot them. However in your case I would have thought an approach to your firearms manager requesting this condition would succeed and therefore allow you to purchase cartridges without hassle. Sorry if my post mislead you, I have got "Clays" on mine so my RFD is OK, but I take the SGC anyway, I was just curious if anyone had experienced any problems, seems as long as you have a reason whether clays or vermin you should be OK..interesting and complex area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Has anyone been refused to be sold standard shotgun cartridges on a Section 1 ticket where the ticket clearly says 12 Bore Shotgun on the FAC and may or may not say "May also be used for clay pigeon shooting" ?, apparently you can be refused unless you have an SGC or the FAC has the "Clay" clause..at first glance this seems a bit odd, but I guess no odder than me asking for Solid Slug and producing a SGC for it...?.. I guess there must be people out there that just have FAC 12g and no SGC ?..Just wondered.. You cannot buy solid slug on an SGC. It needs to be on an FAC and I assume that if you have an FAC Shotgun and authority to buy Solid slug then you also have an allowance to hold and to purchase? I would have thought as well that anyone who had an FAC shotgun would be able to buy cartridges by producing their FAC, they just wouldn't be entered on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 MC You are indeed correct, one has a buy and hold allowance for slug and they are entered on the fac. I have them for deer and they are treated just like any ammo. I presume that Slug was posing the hypothetical question "would it be possible to buy cartridges" where a fac holder who's S1 shotgun was conditioned solely for practical with slugs and therefore had no conditioned use for cartridges. An interesting hypothetical question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted February 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 I think my OP was clear perhaps I did not pose the question clearly some not all people have an FAC ticket with Shot gun on it, they may solely only have an FAC and not possess an SGC because all their guns are S1 therefore there is no need for the SGC, however, it would seem you can legally be refused to be sold standard shot gun carts unless your FAC shows reason by way of possession of a S1 shot gun and/or reason, so if you wanted to buy (say for example) some rifle bullets on your own S1 ticket and pick some carts up at the same time (assuming you didn't have an S1 Shot Gun on said ticket ) he can refuse to sell them to unless you hold an SGC In short I am saying you can't buy S2 ammo on a S1 ticket unless your ticket shows possession of, or a reason to load a S2 gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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