Ozzy Fudd Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 got an early call from the feo this morning, he says he's received my paperwork from lisnasharragh for the 17hmr and he's coming out to see me tomorrow! bit shocked, i only sent my application in about the 3rd week in january, got my receipt letter at the start of february, now im getting a visit - thought id be waiting for another few months. only thing is im not 100% sure why he's coming to see me, i've already got a .22lr so didnt think adding on a .17hmr would need a visit... thank god he's not coming out today, im feeling a bit under the weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Only reason I can think of is, he will ask u what do u want a HMR for as u have a .22lr. (longer range rabbit control day time shooting & fox control) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Just a little chat. No harm, just to make sure you're justifiably asking for the right rifle. I got a call from my FEO when I put in a variation. It's all down to how they like to handle it. All the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 (edited) if you were an FEO wouldn't you want to interview Rob first!?!?!? Edited March 3, 2010 by nickbeardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Leave your spliffs in the drawer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 reason for aquiring, I take it you didn't put shooting remote control cars and fridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 long distance fridges, please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 (edited) na, i put foxes and longer range rabbits down, didnt mention house hold appliances at all as for spliffs, youd never find any of that stuff in my house, though it may be an idea to bung all the machetes/bayonets into a cupboard somewhere Edited March 3, 2010 by Ozzy Fudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayfly36 Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Rab, remember .17 over here is not a calibre that is allowed to shoot foxes, minimum calibre is .222 or .223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 really? thats weird, i put down fox for the 22lr and they never said anything about it. its not as if its going to be a dedicated fox gun, itll be more for rabbits and the odd fox if it pops out close. hmm tomorrow will be interesting then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayfly36 Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 (edited) i put in .222 because i know people that shoot foxes with this calibre, But after a call to Lisnasarragh a while back, the minimum calibre to shoot foxes has been upped to .223 in N.I. NOW theirs something to chew on. Edited March 3, 2010 by mayfly36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 (edited) surely they'd need to reissue everyone's FAC that states foxes on rimfire then? Edited March 3, 2010 by nickbeardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayfly36 Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Nick that would take a miracle, at the moment in NI, most are having to wait 6 to 9 months for a permit varations and licenses to be completed, so imagine the chaos that would happen, but yes i know what u mean. .22is definitly not allowed over here for foxes, whether you tell them on the original application or not i would think be down to the individual who was applying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 min calibre for fox in n.i is .22 mag and .22 hornet thats what the FEO told me a few months back when she was out with me about the hornet rab. if you have put your rimfire down as fox then thats mayabe why the FEO is calling with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 load of bull, sounds like each of the FEO's is making it up as they go along nice when they don't all sing from the same hymn sheet. Don't you lot over the water have a license with what you can shoot written on it? makes me laugh over here that some allow it some don't then you have some who class foxes as vermin and all the time a lot of foxes are testament to the rimfires doing the job fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 defo a weird one this when i applied for my 22lr in '06 the feo himself told me to stick fox down for it. when i got the licence through it didnt specify fox, just vermin or something (cant remember the wording at mo), but i spoke to the feo afterwards and he told me fox was covered ok going to be an interesting one tomorrow morning, though if i explain that i wanted fox down just for the odd shot, and main reasons i want the 17hmr are for long range rabbits and due to the fact im nervous about ricochets in some of the areas i shoot, i should be able to swing it (i hope). ah well no point worrying, ill see what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albob Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 (edited) surely they'd need to reissue everyone's FAC that states foxes on rimfire then? they are removing it if you put a variation in or for renewal,saves recalling fac certs.(unless you are prepared and submit a letter with fac,stating why you want fox on a particular caliber) ozzy,he may even come to discuss another calibre rifle,if he ain`t to happy with hmr for fox.if you give good reasons though,i cannot see a reason for not granting it. good luck. al Edited March 3, 2010 by albob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 yeah, we'll see what he says. i wouldnt mind having a .223 but i wouldnt have enough use for it - yes, i cant believe i just said that either - as its mostly rabbits i shoot a .223 for would be a waste. oh well we'll know tomorrow i suppose, fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albob Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 yeah, we'll see what he says. i wouldnt mind having a .223 but i wouldnt have enough use for it - yes, i cant believe i just said that either - as its mostly rabbits i shoot a .223 for would be a waste. oh well we'll know tomorrow i suppose, fingers crossed! i asked and got .222 for rabbit and occasional fox. al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 ok so the feo's been (two of them infact!), and ive had a smoke and calmed my nerves a bit they asked me quite a few questions, main one was why i want a similar calibre rifle to what i already have. that was easy, explained that alot of the rabbits i was shooting last year were over 100 yards, the .22lr couldnt quite cut it, said about the flat .17hmr trajectory, 6" drop at 200 yards, etc etc etc. also explained that while the .17hmr wouldnt be a dedicated fox gun, i would use it for the occasional fox under 100 yards. then i did a bit of an oops, i said id like to be able to use the moderator on the 22lr as well, as some of the places i shoot have houses nearby. that didnt go down well he said id only be able to use the mod on the 17 as thats the gun i applied for with it. luckily he got me to write out a quick letter stating this, and said it should be ok. so he said id be using the 22lr with mod and subbies on close range (under 50 yard rabbits), and the 17hmr on longer range rabbits and foxes. i said well yeah but id like the ruger for crows and stuff too. this was the second **** up, they werent happy at this. one of them said "ive never seen a grey back sitting at 50 yards, i hope youre not shooting up into trees", instant brown trouser moment. so i quickly explained no way, id never shoot a rifle up into a tree, but once or twice in the past, when ive crept around a corner in full camo, after rabbits, ive seen a crow or magpie on the ground, and managed to shoot two before they saw me. that seemed to be ok, so they inspected my cabinet and the seperate safe to keep the bolt in (one even commented he was surprised how well secured the cabinet was to the wall) and asked a bit about security on the house (i think the fact i breed rottweilers negated the need for an alarm ) and that was it, i just need to get a land permission letter signed for the .17 (bloody gunshop said i wouldnt need it) and leave it into the feo, so ill do that tomorrow. they couldnt say if it would be granted or not, but he said id given all the right arguments, so fingers crossed :yp: incidentally, as for the fox issue, he said there was no formal psni position on what calibre to use for foxes :o admittedly i did say that it would only be the occasional one and not a dedicated fox rifle, and explained that the 10/22 had a muzzle velocity of about 1100 fps, and the 17hmr was 2500 fps, said i wasnt happy using the 10/22 for it but going by ballistic calculators the 17hmr should do the trick, and he was more than happy with this. just goes to show, different areas different rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 thats interesting as I really don't think there is a formal position on foxes throughout the whole country there are lots of situations where everything from a .22lr is suitable just depends if they want to keep granting more and more centrefires for fox control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 In all fairness, you shouldn't mention birds and rifles. You need to have avian species listed, unless you have some other wording which covers this. It sounds like it went ok.. Just get as many references to back up your claim and they can't say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albob Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 glad it went well for you. al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 i shouldnt have mentioned crows, i know, but i was afraid of them doing something daft like limiting it to rabbits only. but at the moment the licence wording for the 22lr and the shotguns is identical, both says for sporting purpose and vermin control, the only difference is that the rifle also has for zeroing purposes, so whatever i can shoot with the shotgun can be shot with the rifle (thats the way i see it anyway) obviousley taking shot safety, etc, into account yeah going to get the land form signed tonight, then get it left in tomorrow, so fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I'd have been tempted to say long range vermin on the application and forget all about foxes in that case. Its not our job to tell the police foxes are or aren't vermin. I've now had both been told they are vermin, now got them listed against all rifles however were anyone to have an issue I've a mate who has vermin including foxes written on his HMR, It is exceptionally unlikely to come back and bite you and certainly I've never heard of anyone being pulled or revoked over mistakenly assuming foxes were vermin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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