henry d Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Has anyone any prior knowledge of this as a mate intends to try again when heis cert comes up. (I have posted this before but would like to see if the newer members have any fresh ideas ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexer Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Hi henry, What exactly are you asking for help on mate it's not clear from the question. Do you mean your mate has a hammer gun he wants to deactivate so he can keep it when his cert runs out? What bore size is it? Cheers, Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Sorry< He has an old 12bore and is only of sentimental value(holes in the damascus barrels)and wants to hang as a wall piece,out of sight in his "study". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexer Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 (edited) Deactivation of firearms Section 8 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 provides that a firearm which has been certified by one of the Proof Houses as having been deactivated in a manner approved by the Secretary of State, and marked to that effect, shall no longer be regarded as a firearm. Firearms so deactivated and proof marked, are no longer subject to any of the conditions or controls contained in any of the Firearms Acts or Rules. The following show those proof marks, approved by the Secretary of State under Section 8 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988, for denoting that guns have been so deactivated. The figures "89" relate to the calendar year and changes as appropriate. So as long as he gets a gunsmith to deactivate it and submit it to be proofed as deactivated he'll be fine. See Here and here Ben Edited October 29, 2005 by plexer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Superb,Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 from memory you dont need to get it proofed as de-act unless he wants to sell it components from a section 2 dont need to be on a certificate so as long as he removes the firing pins, drills into the face of the breech and sticks something solid in the barrels then I think he will be fine legally as you can never make it work again cos of the breech face holes Kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 what we did years ago is put lead down the barrals take the pins out drill holes in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waddy Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 from memory you dont need to get it proofed as de-act unless he wants to sell it I assume he wants to de-activate it because it is going to hang on the wall. I also assume that as it will be out of a secure cabinet then it will be a requirement of Mr Plod. I would also suggest that drilling holes in a display piece would ruin it a little. Could there be any other way round it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 >I also assume that as it will be out of a secure cabinet then it will be a requirement of Mr Plod I assume you write to the bill and tell them you have de-activated it and want it taken from your cert. As you would if you had taken an angle grinder to it and then walked it into the police station. It is not a working gun anymore so it dont need to go on a cert. It is not section 1 so there are no rules afaik about pressure bearing components so as long as it wont fire (which it wont as it has no pins or pin holes) then it is technically de-act. If he wants to sell it on then legally I think he needs a de-act cert. >>drills into the face of the breech >I would also suggest that drilling holes in a display piece would ruin it a little. The drilling isnt visible from the outside, you are drilling away the holes where the pins come out and hit the primers, you cant see it at all when the gun is closed. Kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Thanks again,I think we will ask the gunsmith and suggest the above and the possibility of machining a couple of grooves,under the fore end,through the barrels about 3-4mm wide,as that would make it impossible to fire. He thought that filling the barrels with lead would be too risky as it could fall off the wall and hit his missus on the head and.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Thanks again,I think we will ask the gunsmith and suggest the above and the possibility of machining a couple of grooves,under the fore end,through the barrels about 3-4mm wide,as that would make it impossible to fire. He thought that filling the barrels with lead would be too risky as it could fall off the wall and hit his missus on the head and.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Thanks again to all....I saw the gunsmith and if it`s over 100 yrs then it can be taken off ticket but not displayed as it would be an antique. If it were a pin fire then it could be displayed as it is near impossible to get ammo for it. To de-activate,which he thinks entails welding plugs into the barrels removal of locks and welding in place the hammers,machining a slot into the barrels from the flats and drilling the breech face,£110+ including a certificate. My mates gonna think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I would check the antique part as I think it is only applicable to guns for which no ammo is manufactured. If he is also going to keep the ticket and thus be in posession of other 12 bore carts, that is probably a no-no too. Give BASC a ring if u are a member Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palombier Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Hi all Just a couple of points that may be of interest which i think are right. You can do the de-act work yourself you don't have to be an RFD (gunsmith) but obviously it has to be up to the current de-act. spec. You can take it to the Proof-House yourself. A deactivation certificate will be required if you want it 'off ticket'. The over 100 years old is not valid unless it is an obsolete calibre(ie 8 bore),muzzle loader,pin-fire etc. There is no offence in possessing S.2 shotgun cartridges without a certificate. Good luck P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 >A deactivation certificate will be required if you want it 'off ticket'. I think this is only for selling, not possesion >There is no offence in possessing S.2 shotgun cartridges without a certificate. Not very clear but I meant he would be in possesion of ammo for a gun he has off ticket even though he has a cert for other guns. For example, some ten bores, 8 bores etc... can be owned off ticket, however you are not allowed ammo for them as obviously this implies you will use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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