deputy dog Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Hi all. I have had my FAC for 6 months and i own a .17hmr. I have 2 permissions i can shoot over legally on my own. But i have a mentor condtion which my best mate agreed to do. So i could go shooting on other land with him being there. He has an open ticket and various caliber guns including a .223 which i have shot a few rounds through out in the field at targets but not live quarry. Due to a change in his circumstances he feels now that he can no longer mentor me any more because he hasn't the time these days to go shooting with me. He has said he now thinks i am ready to go about on our other permissions shooting on my own, being a safe an responsible shot. Would my FEO grant me an open ticket and a slot for a .223 if i explained my situation to him. I want the .223 for foxes, as my hmr is only good for them up to 100yrds. Cheers Gareth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Quite probably but the only way to find out is to ask. Even if they remove the mentoring but leave the slots closed you can still shoot on your own though just need to check the land is cleared. As for the .223, if it's your first centrefire then it's likely to be closed, doesn't hurt to explain the situation to your FEO, you might get it opened from the start. Each force (and sometimes each FEO) is different and that has an effect on the way they view things and what they will and will not allow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Your FEO is not likely to take to much notice of you. He will want to hear from your Mentor about your safety/attitude/ability/demeanor/experience/etc, thats why you have a mentor. If your mentor gives you a good write up you should be in business, but as always it's down to your FEO and region. A mentor no longer being able to mentor you is not on the list of good reasons to Open up your FAC, but your mentor confirming you have reached and surpassed acceptable levels of experience and standards is potentially! As for moving up to centrefire, that could be a big debate again, the only way really is to ask your region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cushat Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) 3 seperate issues: 1) Firstly, you want the mentor condition removing (this isn't same as an open ticket) - get your mentor to write a letter saying he has been out with you x number of times over a 6 month period and is happy you are competent and safe and he recommends you should have the mentor condition removed. This shouldn't be a problem after 6 months. 2) Open ticket - there are 3 degrees of "open/closed" certs a) named land on your FAC, b ) restricted to something like "over land the certificate holder has permission and which is approved by the chief officer of police"? and c) fully open, i.e. any land over which you have permission. You need to be clear what you are asking for here and do it in stages - unlikely that the FEO would jump straight from a) to c). 3) variation for centrefire - you will need to demonstrate good reason (i.e. permission to shoot foxes) but otherwise shouldn't be an issue, although they may want to impose a mentor condition as it's your first c/f - varies from force to force. Try and keep the three issues seperate so the FEO is clear about what you want :unsure: Edited March 29, 2010 by Cushat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy dog Posted March 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) 3 seperate issues: 1) Firstly, you want the mentor condition removing (this isn't same as an open ticket) - get your mentor to write a letter saying he has been out with you x number of times over a 6 month period and is happy you are competent and safe and he recommends you should have the mentor condition removed. This shouldn't be a problem after 6 months. 2) Open ticket - there are 3 degrees of "open/closed" certs a) named land on your FAC, b ) restricted to something like "over land the certificate holder has permission and which is approved by the chief officer of police"? and c) fully open, i.e. any land over which you have permission. You need to be clear what you are asking for here and do it in stages - unlikely that the FEO would jump straight from a) to c). 3) variation for centrefire - you will need to demonstrate good reason (i.e. permission to shoot foxes) but otherwise shouldn't be an issue, although they may want to impose a mentor condition as it's your first c/f - varies from force to force. Try and keep the three issues seperate so the FEO is clear about what you want :unsure: [/quot Thanks Cushat. My only true concern is my best friend and shooting partner as told me that he can no longer carry on mentoring me. Due to change in circumstances in his private life. And to be honest he is the only person i do go shooting with. So if they do grant me my 1st center fire but with a closed ticket and only with a mentor condition for a period of time. I'm going to be scupperd for an active mentor there for not being able to shoot on my own. He has stated that he will put in writing to our FEO that i am a safe and responsible shooter and would recommend they remove the mentor condition for me. Getting signatures of our permissionss for me to shoot foxes will be no problem what so ever. And my friend has phoned around a few to let them know that he wont be around so much to do fox control for them. Thats where i come in wanting the bigger caliber, so i can carry out the fox controling myself. But if he's not going to be able to mentor me in the future. I cant see how i can get my center fire and be able to go out shooting with it. And effectively stuck with my HMR. Edited March 29, 2010 by deputy dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 IMHO get this mentor condition removed, shoot a lot and wait a while before applying for centrefire. Then when you do you can show you've been mentored, prooved safe and then gained a load of experience with your rimfire before going centrefire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy dog Posted March 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Thanks all for your replies. I think i will go with what Al4x Posted and get my mentoring removed and shoot on my own for a while. Then hopefully after say another 6 months passes i would have done enough for my FEO will see that all the mentoring i had worked. And he sees me as a compedent, safe and responsible shot that can shoot on my own with a bigger caliber gun. Thanks to all that posted replies, they were most helpfull Good shooting to all Gareth :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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