Dunkield Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Ok I sure this has been asked a 'millyun' times before, and don't be afriad to link me back to old posts if it has, but... What, in your opininion is the best 3-9x50 (or similar) Mildot scope for under 100 quid? I used to have a Hawke Reflex and a Pro-Stalk and to be honest I preferred the Reflex, are there newer/better scopes out there now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 What was wrong with the Pro stalk? Just asking because I have one and I think it very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 I didn't like the focus ring as it was impractical in the field, as you never realy know what range you are going to take a shot at and there isn't time to adjust it. IMHO the Reflex was clearer and smaller for the same magnification (and didn't need high mounts). I may have had a bad one, but I sold it for more than I paid for it, so all's well that ends well I hope I didn't sell it to you though :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 It wasn't on E-bay back in the summer was it? No hang on don't tell me I don't want to know You are right about the paralax ring though. I very rarely use it. I set it for the furthest distance and if the target is blurry it is too far away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 It wasn't on E-bay back in the summer was it? YES it was - yikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Lovely scope, I wish I had never sold it :*) :*) :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Lovely scope, I wish I had never sold it :*) :*) :*) I want my money back!!! But I'll keep the scope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Well of course there are the expensive scopes out there but my money would be any of the superb Nikko sterling range. Each and every scope I have looked through from the Nikko range has been nothing less than perfect. They give superb value for money and a crystal clear image. It will be my first port of call when I need a new scope for my .17HMR when the ticket is approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Are AGS any good Axe? anyone? I noticed Ramsbottoms not listing Hawke any more?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Are AGS any good Axe? anyone?I noticed Ramsbottoms not listing Hawke any more?? Fashionable names come and go. I think the best thing is to try as many as you can and go for the one YOU like and rolloks to what anyone else thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 I was holding off saying it, as it sounds a bit lame, but I was asking on behalf of someone else (that old chesnut) so just looking for recommendtions from users. I buy the best glass I can afford these days, which is what I should have done all along :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 (edited) Ive no idea about the AGS, my venture into decent glass is very limited infact in its infancy. With the range of rifles currently at my disposal and due to be at my disposal its unlikely i'll be spending too much on scopes anyway. But as I said earlier out of all the brands ive looked through so far, the Nikko Sterling scopes are far superior. I guess alot of this is personal chice, but until someone can show the the pro's and cons against a much more expensive alternative, i'll stick with them. Edited November 10, 2005 by Axe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJaxeman Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 AGS Ok I have one on one of my rifles it's ok but it is still only a low/middle of the range scope. It all depends on what you are using it for and how far you are scoping in. Buying a top of the range scope is all well and good but if it's going on a low end rifle then what's the point. Spend the max you can and you will get the best you can afford LOL LOL it's the only way. Cheers Jas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Have a look at the Walther range. From what i have seen of them they seem very good value for money. They do a 30mm tube model. It allows way more light in and that is only a good thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Cheers Snake, I'll have a look at those. We could get into a whole new thread here but . . . Good quality optics/coatings and to a slightly lesser extent larger objective lenses gather more light. Larger diameter tubes only allow more elevation and windage adjustment (S&B + others do 34mm tubes on their long range scopes) they don't actually allow any more light in. I know what you are thinking "if he thinks he knows all about scopes why is he asking for advice" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 I have a Walther 3-9 x 40 IR on my logun. Its ok for the short range stuff up to 100yards say. As a scope its no better or worse than Hawke, AGS, etc. I still think the Nikko's are better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Good quality optics/coatings and to a slightly lesser extent larger objective lenses gather more light. Larger diameter tubes only allow more elevation and windage adjustment (S&B + others do 34mm tubes on their long range scopes) they don't actually allow any more light in. I know what you are thinking "if he thinks he knows all about scopes why is he asking for advice" :thumbs: who told you that?? the larger the objective lens the more light it can gather, just think about a telescope (as used by patrick more) the bigger the lens the clearer the image. use of the coatings do help, but you got it the wrong way round the coatings help to a lesser extent/ and as for the 30mm+ tubes only allowing for a bit more windage and elevation adjkustment LOL who told you that?? not only have you got a nice big objective lens right at the front but you also have huge (in comparison to a 25mm scope) lenses all the way down the scope enabaling the scope to transfer more light to the exit lens (sorry technical talk never been my strong point). compare a 30mm+ scope to a 25mm scope and then tell me there is no difference LOL the only exeption to this rule would have to be the simmons white tail classic 1.5-5x20 YES 20mm objectivelens!!!!! and probably one of the brightest little scope i have seen. if your only shooting out to about 35 yards would well be worth having a look at one of these either new (ABOUT £100) or second hand (about £60) e3xcellent under rated scope thugh only coe sin the 30/30 ret :( but all this is pretty much redundant as you would be very lucky to coe across a 30mm scope for under £100. as for which scope is best? firstly what is the scope going to be used for? secondly what do you need from the scope? (please note the word NEED not WANT two totally different words!) do you need range finding? do you need mil dot? do you need illuminated reticle? what magnification do you need? you will find the one or all of the above will be in a similar price bracket within a few ££££s the way they have been able to do this is by putting cheaper and cheaper lenses in teh scopes to enable the price to stay low. so a basic 3-9x40 30/30 reticle scope will have the best lenses. as well as there being less to go wrong. me i have shot with a basic 3-9x40 30/30 reticle bushnell trophy for the past 3 yaers and havnt had any problems with range finding or magnification as most ofmy shooting is done on 6x mag at the most. its short compact and does pretty much everything i need it to ROB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 compare a 30mm+ scope to a 25mm scope and then tell me there is no difference LOL I have, many many times and there isn't any I was going to chop my 25mm tube Schmidt and Bender in for a 30mm when they first came out and everyone, and I mean everyone, told me I was wasting my time/money. Having had a good look through both I have to agree. The light gathering thing has been done to death elsewhere, all I can say is people who know far more about it than you and me will tell you it's all in quality of the glass and the coatings. A cr4p 56mm scope will gather far less light than a really decent 40mm scope. Have alook through some Lieca 8x32mm binoculars and see what I mean, bit brighter than toys r us 10x50's any day. :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 fight fight fight!! Now before it all kicks off again everyone draw breath and count to ten :thumbs: Physics will prove that a 30mm tube will let in more light than a 25mm tube. BUT..... this will only become noticable in low light enviroments. As it gets dark of an evening you will get a 15 min advantage (at a guess) with a 30mm tube. Optical quality is of the upmost importance so we are all agreed on that one. So at the end of the day everybody is right and we can all be nice! (please) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Sounds like a good idea to me :thumbs: More importantly, it's Friday lunchtime and that can only mean one thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 nope im the first to admit it when im wrong :thumbs: the only scopes i have been able to compare side by side are the lower end of the market scopes hawke/sidewinder/nikkon. and in these there is a definate difference when it comes to the tube size. when it comes to top class glass i have very litle experiance with these. but i would agree with you that it is the quality of the optics over the size of the optics like i said about the little WTC scope a 20mm ob lens and still one of the brightest scopes i have looked through at dusk. ROB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shootist Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Physics will prove that a 30mm tube will let in more light than a 25mm tube.BUT..... this will only become noticable in low light enviroments. As it gets dark of an evening you will get a 15 min advantage (at a guess) with a 30mm tube. Depends on the scope... Some 30mm tube scopes are exacty that... 30mm optics all the way down and yes more light will pass through... On the other hand... some 30mm scopes merely have a set of 25mm gizzards in a 30mm tube to give more elevation and windage adjustment but no more light passes through... Regards Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Quality of scopes ...................As anyone stopped and considered the quality of their own eyesight Yes I'm sure there are mr Magoos out there with Smidt s just as there are the Steve Austins(bionic man )with a Simmons.............No 2 people are the same . The true test comes when Foxing .................And by that i mean outline deffinition of a animal at 200+yds under lamp conditions and not relying on eye reflection. SMIDT & BENDER prove there worth in this senario................But what about a KAHLES,,,,,,,,,only the oldest scope manufacturer in the World. Back to the original question. Well it should be $200...........Buy from the States and save yourself £100 and get a Simmons AETEC Ive PS IT was Steve Austin with the Bionic Eye was'nt it :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Quality of scopes ...................As anyone stopped and considered the quality of their own eyesight PS IT was Steve Austin with the Bionic Eye was'nt it :thumbs: You are right on both counts! I do not have the best of eyes and for a while it was hard work spotting them. Practice has improved this by a long mark. However I have had no problems looking through scopes (and at air rifle ranges I should hope not ). Who played the Bionic woman then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Quality of scopes ...................As anyone stopped and considered the quality of their own eyesight PS IT was Steve Austin with the Bionic Eye was'nt it You are right on both counts! I do not have the best of eyes and for a while it was hard work spotting them. Practice has improved this by a long mark. However I have had no problems looking through scopes (and at air rifle ranges I should hope not :( ). Who played the Bionic woman then?? Lynsay Wagner i think. :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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