Tobyb525 Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I am probably going to get a S&B 8X56 for my hmr when my licence comes. However, I have just noticed that they are not fog proof (according to utting's specification) Is this a problem and are they likely to fog up in the rain, I'm guessing not but I want to be sure before paying £550 for one! Also has anyone any experience of the new Zeiss duralyt? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I am probably going to get a S&B 8X56 for my hmr when my licence comes. However, I have just noticed that they are not fog proof (according to utting's specification) Is this a problem and are they likely to fog up in the rain, I'm guessing not but I want to be sure before paying £550 for one! Also has anyone any experience of the new Zeiss duralyt? Cheers For that money i'd want it to make the tea aswell! if it's not fog proof then it's likely to be affected by temperature and moisture content in the air also. you could spend a lot less money and still get a better scope. (one thats fog proof would be a start ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) I am probably going to get a S&B 8X56 for my hmr when my licence comes. However, I have just noticed that they are not fog proof (according to utting's specification) Is this a problem and are they likely to fog up in the rain, I'm guessing not but I want to be sure before paying £550 for one! Also has anyone any experience of the new Zeiss duralyt? Cheers All S&B Scopes are Nitrogen purged and filled to make them absolutely waterproof and fogproof! The model and design then has to sit in a tank of saltwater at a depth of 20 metres for 24 hours and remain intact and watertight to pass the German certification.... Uttings don't have their facts right if they are claiming S&Bs are not fog proof! Remember, fogproof refers to fogging occurring inside the scope. There is nothing you can do to stop it happening on the outside. Take any scope from any manufacturer from a cold damp atmosphere into a dry warm atmosphere and the outside of the glass will mist over. Not sure if fixed 8x56 is right for an HMR, the guys who shoot that calibre at the kind of targets they shoot at seem to go for more mag than 8, a head shot on a bunny at 150yds is going to be challenging with an 8x56 although the image will be crystal clear and you'll still be able to see it when it's almost dark, if not completely dark but I would question the magnification. Edited May 18, 2010 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobyb525 Posted May 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Thank god for that! I've been looking through my air rifle (unloaded) at 8x mag at rabbits 200 yards away and I'm able to keep it on their head so thats not a problem. I only need to shoot up to 100 yards on my permission anyway (mainly cover crops). I need something bright as I'll also do a lot of high seat shooting for squirrels as they feed on the pheasants feeders on the ground below (middle of woods in the evening so will be quite dark) Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) Thank god for that! I've been looking through my air rifle (unloaded) at 8x mag at rabbits 200 yards away and I'm able to keep it on their head so thats not a problem. I only need to shoot up to 100 yards on my permission anyway (mainly cover crops). I need something bright as I'll also do a lot of high seat shooting for squirrels as they feed on the pheasants feeders on the ground below (middle of woods in the evening so will be quite dark) Thanks I've got the Hungarian S&B 8x56 on my 6.5x55 deer machine, it is incredible in low/no light conditions which is where decent glass comes into it's own. Anything can look good at midday! I was going to spend the extra £200 on the German version but too many people, dealers and other shooters alike kept pointing out that the components are identical, it's just the people putting them together that are different. The warranty is identical, 10 years.. Good stuff.. Edited May 18, 2010 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Another advocate of the S&B 8 x 56 here - tremendous scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Another advocate of the S&B 8 x 56 here - tremendous scope. Almost as good as the Swaro 8x56 :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Almost as good as the Swaro 8x56 :blink: I agree, beautiful stuff but 2-300 again on top of a Hungarian 8x56 but quality wise not 2-300 quid more. At this level there is very little in it although I believe some of the new Zeiss Victory stuff blows everything else out of the water...... at a huge premium!!! but they don't do a fixed mag in that range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I agree, beautiful stuff but 2-300 again on top of a Hungarian 8x56 but quality wise not 2-300 quid more. From the few that I've seen..... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glensman Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 I have a hungarian and German, no difference that i can find! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Even Schmidt say to get the Hungarian one, I asked them before I bought mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 I've taken my 8x56 S&B out in some awful weather and it's never missed a beat. Picture the point when your goretex jacket gives up and you get soaked through just by the water running down your face and into your clothes. I've just taken it home, dried it off (sometimes the next morning if I've been really late) and put it away. It's fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 personally I wouldn't put one on an HMR its too much scope money wise and you could spend far better. Any decent variable mag scope will do I'd hate to be limited to 8X with mine as your targets are smaller and generally further away than when you are using a centrefire. Also you don't need the last light capability anywhere near as much as when you are after fox or deer. I've a 4-16x50 on mine and wouldn't want any less as often it'll be wound right up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 (edited) Even Schmidt say to get the Hungarian one, I asked them before I bought mine They are probably trying to get their entire fixed mag manufacturing over to Hungary but are having to keep things going in Germany to satisfy the purists. As soon as demand for the German version drops below a certain level and vice verse for the Hungarian they will probably stop offering a choice i.e. if you buy a fixed mag it will have been assembled in Hungary and a variable in Germany. Wouldn't surprise me if ultimately they moved all manufacturing to Hungary as profit margins would be increased and prices reduced thereby creating more demand. As long as finished quality doesn't suffer they already have the name to pull that one off! Edited May 19, 2010 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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