lending a shotgun

[Cranfield]

I think the first problem is , "The term “occupier” is not defined in the Firearms Acts, nor has a Court clarified its meaning".

 

" the Firearms Consultative Committee in their 5th Annual report recommended that the provisions of section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 be adopted. This states that ‘“occupier” in relation to any land, other than the foreshore, includes any person having any right of hunting, shooting, fishing or taking game or fish’. In the absence of any firm definition for firearms purposes, it is suggested that each chief officer of police may wish to make use of this definition."

 

The second problem is, that this is merely a "recommendation" and still leaves the whole issue down to the interpretation of local Police Officers.

 

I have checked with Kent Police Firearms Dept this morning and was told that their interpretation is that the "occupier" is the legal owner of the land.

 

However, I was invited to write to the Chief Constable and make a case for this to be altered in line with the "recommendation" mentioned above (which I quoted).

I was also advised not to rely on "recommendations", or dated decisions, as they may have been superceded.

 

I'm not saying that interpretations other people have got from their Chief Constables is wrong.

All I am saying, is that the BASC and now Kent Police Firearms Dept, have given me the same opinion.

So things are not as cut and dried as is being suggested.

[henry d]

Thank you and Goodnight ! :thumbs:

[Piebob]

Soooooooo........

 

Sounds like Kent police do NOT have an "absence of any firm definition for firearms purposes" so they won't use the guidance from the HO.

 

I agree though, it's all "may" and "suggest" and wishy-washy words like that - there really should be some consistency and clarity.

 

Oh well, don't try to introduce someone to shooting in Kent unless you're going to a clay ground. :thumbs:

 

I wonder if the BASC are lobbying for clarity across the UK - given that they should be doing everything possible to help introduce new shots.

 

Thanks for checking with your FEO and your post Cranfield, I hadn't realised we had this inconsistency.

 

Piebob

[ROB REYNOLDS UK]

like iv already said its the farmer and no body else and thats a fact if you had your ticket you can borrow a shot gun of you mate for up to 72hrs with out informing the poilce .if you have your fac did you know you can put your mates rifle on your own ticket and keep it at your address for as long as you like with out telling the police so you can have and use as meny guns as you like with out even owning one .you will find i know a bit about the gun laws did you know that you can leave your gun loaded in your car if your going from farm to farm or gate to gate .fact ..but if your not going from farm to farm you will be done this goes for air rifles as well you ownley have to have bullits or pellets in your mag to be classed as loaded even if the mags not in the rifle .did you know that any body can keep as many shot gun shells at there home with out a ticket you need a ticket only to buy them and any body with a ticket can give them shells away as a gift only.you can not sell them to a person with out a ticket .if a person is found in a public place with live shells in there pocket and no ticket you are braking the law ..all guns must be covered at all times when in a public place and you must have good reason to have one in a public place also ..good reason is like going to get it fixed at the gun smiths ect not going to the pub like Piebob would say

Edited December 12, 2005 by ROB REYNOLDS UK

[The Sniper]

Rob,

 

Seeing as you know a "bit" about the gun laws I would be really intrigued if you would provide the relevant Acts of Parliament where you can:

 

1. Travel between farms, with a loaded firearm, in a public place ?

 

2. Only buy cartridges on production of a shotgun certificate ?

 

3. Only carry guns, that are covered, in a public place.

 

[henry d]

Sniper.........Have you been caught out??

[The Sniper]

Not at all......In fact the opposite. I'm just looking forward to Robs answer.

 

[Cranfield]

Whether its a written Law or not but;

 

I don't know of any Gunshop that will sell you cartridges without production of your shotgun certificate.

 

I have always believed that you can only carry a gun in a public place if it is covered and having any loaded weapon in your vehicle in a public area, is illegal.

 

Is this wrong ?

[The Sniper]

Rob Reynolds UK,

 

TTT.

 

Patience is a virtue.