Gordon R Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) Just reading about another hammer gun on here, when Mark came round with three guns he had just acquired:- An old Webley and Scott - single barrel - loose action and seen better days. Laurona NE O/U - slightly loose action, but otherwise in good nick. The third is a 12 gauge hammer SBS - non ejector. Action slightly loose. One barrel spotless, the other has very, very slight pitting. On the top rib, it says Chas Osborne and Co. London. Does anyone know anything about these SBSs? Is it made in England or a Spanish gun stamped up with a shop name? If it is worth more than £200, he was thinking of getting the pitting lapped out and the action tightened. If it is just a cheapie, then he will use it as it is. Any help appreciated. Edited July 28, 2010 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluke2 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Just googled them english gunmakers established 1838 in birmingham. www.shotgunworld .com has a good thread on them the guy has all the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 chas osbourn was a good gun maker it should be worth well over £200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 ill offer 250? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 just thinking about it my mate has got a C/O with a purdey action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I had a Chas Osborne Gordon and it was most definitely English. It was a back-action S/S and was the most beautiful gun you could wish for. Got nagged into selling it for far less than it was worth. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montefeltro Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Now the gun in that picture looks very similar to a hammer Gun I've just bought made by W & J Davis of Birmingham (see my recent thread under this topic).. from a distance I'd say it's the same gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Funnily enough, as the previous owner of a W & J Davis back action hammergun practically identical to Montefeltro's, my other hammer gun is a bar action Charles Osbourne gun identical to the one in Gordon's post. Montefeltro, the guns are not the same, each uses a different spring arrangement or "action". Yours is a back action, meaning the springs are underneath the lock plates, positioned behind the hammers, and Gordon's, being a bar action, has the springs forward of the hammers under the protruding metal plates embedded in the action. Can you put some more detailed pics up Gordon? It looks as though the metalwork on yours is in better nick than mine. I cant tell for sure, but has the stock been pinned? What is it choked at? Osbournes are proper English-made guns by the way. Mine was made in the 1890s, and shoots very nicely. This model with steel barrels normally goes for between £200 and £300 tops, depending on the condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montefeltro Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Thanks Zapp for explainign that, I'm new to hammer guns and the different types. I was referring to the picture in GRAHAM M's reply not the original thread photos. All lovely guns and nice pieces of history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I was referring to the picture in GRAHAM M's reply not the original thread photos. Ah, sorry, I didnt see that, courtesy of the fun filter on my works computer. A lot of the non "best" guns made outside of London during this timeframe are externally identical, having been made from standard patterns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Lovely guns. Wish I hadn’t let it go, but a friend was absolutely struck by it and wanted it, so being a fool I let him buy it. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Zapp - I hope these are better photos:- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) More Edited July 29, 2010 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) More - The mark on the pistol grip is the light. Not there in real life. Zapp stock is not pinned, as far as I can see and I have had a damn good look. Edited July 29, 2010 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Gordon, thanks for the pics, that is exactly the same as mine, right down to the engraving. The metalwork on mine is more pitted though. I saw on the new pics that what I thought was a pin was in fact the light reflecting What is the serial number on yours? Mine is 77437. Also, I have now seen the pic of Graham M's gun and agree with Montefeltro, both guns are from the same pattern I do love a bit of hammergun porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Also have a T. Osborne but don't know if they are related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) Zapp - serial number 74499. It has various stamps underneath each barrel:- BP, BV and NP - all accompanied by a crown. Nitro proof 1 1/8. 12C What appears to be 1B over 1 Edited July 29, 2010 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) I think this would be 13 over 1 Gordon, which would indicate that the bore was between 12 and 13 bore; some where between .710 and .719. G.M. Edited July 29, 2010 by Graham M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Nice sbs Gordon, they make 2 - 300 going through the auction house in chester :unsure: so must be worth more as a private sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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