thaiball Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 hi all my brother has just bought a pigeon magnet rotary machine and looking at it it just looks like a windscreen motor and bits of metal rod and tubing which looks pretty easy to build do any of you know anyone who has built one.just thought they are a lot of money for what they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 hi all my brother has just bought a pigeon magnet rotary machine and looking at it it just looks like a windscreen motor and bits of metal rod and tubing which looks pretty easy to build do any of you know anyone who has built one.just thought they are a lot of money for what they are A lot of people asked abt my build http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...amp;pid=1111190 http://s856.photobucket.com/albums/ab130/T...xHunter/rotary/ Regards TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiball Posted August 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 A lot of people asked abt my build http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...amp;pid=1111190 http://s856.photobucket.com/albums/ab130/T...xHunter/rotary/ Regards TEH looks good mate exactly the sort of thing i was looking to build but maybe a lighter version what did you do for the speed switch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 (edited) looks good mate exactly the sort of thing i was looking to build but maybe a lighter version what did you do for the speed switch Hi, All of the standard modern wiper motors have 2 speeds, and in the multi plug there will be a few terminals, normaly 5 so take your 12v power and find out what does what. I use the the slowest speed on mine, with no speed controler as that is one more thing to go wrong or break in my opinion, but if you want to put one in line, please do i am sure some one will post you a sales link at some time Regarding making it lighter, the ground aroud here this summer has and still is rock hard, i have struggled to get the spikes in, i use 10mm square bar so for a few grams saved on weight might not be the trade off you are looking for. One thing is try to keep the motor at the bottom of your build as this acts as ballast like in a ship, and if you use dead birds in a strong wind there is quite a lot of force acting on the rotary. Any ?,s you have drop me a line Regards TEH Edited August 13, 2010 by The Essex Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Looking at the metal, motor and engineering involved I can't see there being much saving. That said, I have had to have some strengthening work done on mine as the dry soil knocked hell out of the tines and the arms drooped under the weight of deeks so there may be a market for an improved version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Looking at the metal, motor and engineering involved I can't see there being much saving. That said, I have had to have some strengthening work done on mine as the dry soil knocked hell out of the tines and the arms drooped under the weight of deeks so there may be a market for an improved version. Hi Clive, I think most people dont know how much work goes in to anything they buy! The set up cost to make all stuff is huge and yet they still conplain abt the price. What type do you have which needs work doing on it, surly not one recomened to you off here Some other stuff i make ( of which i wont mention as not to start off more hissing fits ) Its well built and with that it weighs a little more, but off set on the way back if you have shot a lot birds and done a few extrs shells if you are half way good Mind you a good bag of birds is 2 tough trips back in anybodys book........... I like making stuff and can, so i do........... Regards TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Mine is a Seeland twin arm rotary magnet. It is made out of mild steel and the tines and arms where they meet the central boss are not up to the loads they will and have encountered. Extending to full length with dead birds on caused the arms to droop and the four tines spread in the dry soil. I had a friend weld some strengthening bars onto these weak spots. It should last for years now. I also had to adapt the wire part as in its original form it was useless. That cost me a tenner for some spreaders. As a matter of interest the company left an manufacturer's invoice in the box when I got it. Seeland are knocking them out to the trade at less then £37 each. If I deduct the cost of the extras such as flying pigeon deeks, floaters, battery and the speed control thingie I reckon it cost me about £50 plus a pack of Magners for my mate's welding, and a tenner for the spreaders. You can find the self-same 'Lighweight Pigeon Magnet' unit on fleebay at the moment at £77.99. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 For £50 you can get a new one built really well with spreaders and battery and 2 speed.................. not light but strong and reliable. PM me if you want his details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiball Posted August 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 to be honest it wont cost me a thing as im a mechanic i have a mig at hand and also wiper motors i have many choices available and like essex hunter i like making stuff the materials we have just sitting in workshop so its only my time and its so much more satisfying seeing your own creation in the field im sure .will give it a go and let you know how it goes.thanks for the tips EH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertieLeBlanc Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 If it is robust and works who cares about the weight, as TEH says 50 Pigeons will be two trips. Three Shredded Wheat in the morning should do the trick for all the "lightweights out there! Ooops I've made an advert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 I think if you have mechanical skills and enjoy making things, then whatever item of decoying equipment you can make for yourself is going to give you a lot of satisfaction, whether its a rotary, floater, bouncer, dead bird cradles, etc. However, there are a lot of us who are not too good with the mig welder and soldering iron and being able to buy quality items from reputable sellers is our only option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertieLeBlanc Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 I think if you have mechanical skills and enjoy making things, then whatever item of decoying equipment you can make for yourself is going to give you a lot of satisfaction, whether its a rotary, floater, bouncer, dead bird cradles, etc. However, there are a lot of us who are not too good with the mig welder and soldering iron and being able to buy quality items from reputable sellers is our only option. Well said Cranfield, Self build items will always be better because they are made with thought and attention to detail so they work well and are durable which is the criteria for making them. You may also save money but not if you cost out the hours to research and make them. "Shop" bought items are usually made down to a price to sell for a profit which is an entirely different criteria. Most of the items I have bought (No time to make!) have had variable quality and needed tweeks from me to work properly. As for the welding - its not brain surgery ( apologies to all the welders out there!) buy a cheap mig welder from fleabay and have a go if you can write with a pen you can mig weld - I think that's what the guy did who made the floaters I bought! Check this out for how to - http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=22 The sense of achievement you get from making your own will get you into the Fred Dibnah school of Back Street Blacksmithing. On a final note I would pay (more) for well made durable decoying accessories if they were available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Well said Cranfield, Self build items will always be better because they are made with thought and attention to detail so they work well and are durable which is the criteria for making them. You may also save money but not if you cost out the hours to research and make them. "Shop" bought items are usually made down to a price to sell for a profit which is an entirely different criteria. Most of the items I have bought (No time to make!) have had variable quality and needed tweeks from me to work properly. As for the welding - its not brain surgery ( apologies to all the welders out there!) buy a cheap mig welder from fleabay and have a go if you can write with a pen you can mig weld - I think that's what the guy did who made the floaters I bought! Check this out for how to - http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=22 The sense of achievement you get from making your own will get you into the Fred Dibnah school of Back Street Blacksmithing. On a final note I would pay (more) for well made durable decoying accessories if they were available This might be of some help and they have a forum!!! www.coventryweldingworkshop.co.uk Bring back the days when stuff was passed on from Dad to his lad TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurchers1 Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 to be honest it wont cost me a thing as im a mechanic i have a mig at hand and also wiper motors i have many choices available and like essex hunter i like making stuff the materials we have just sitting in workshop so its only my time and its so much more satisfying seeing your own creation in the field im sure .will give it a go and let you know how it goes.thanks for the tips EH. like you say mate if you have materials laying around and the know how give it ago,one i made last year as the one i was using weighed a ton,post some pics up after you have made it all the best L1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertieLeBlanc Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Nice hefty groundspike there L1. Lets have pics of all the home made ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Very nice, This is much more like it, just need Jones the butcher and Frazier to bring along their home made Tank killing inventions and the fourm might have a few more smiles on here TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliengravy Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 I have just been outside gathering the parts i need for mine! I have a wheelchair motor, and controller, as well as two batterys, and two fiberglass extending poles! Im hoping that when all welded up I will end up with somthing looking like a pigeon magnet :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 I have just been outside gathering the parts i need for mine! I have a wheelchair motor, and controller, as well as two batterys, and two fiberglass extending poles! Im hoping that when all welded up I will end up with somthing looking like a pigeon magnet :lol: :lol: :lol: You weld fibreglass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireboy Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 heres one i made it works pritty good for mornings work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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