223 and 308 powder

[shotgun sam]

Has anyone used hodgdon 4831 or accurate 2200 for 223 and 308 and how do you rate them

[garyb]

No... but I would imagine 308 needs a slow burning powder, whilst 223 needs a fast to medium burn rate ?

 

Do you not need two powders?

[CZ550Kevlar]

.223 is reloder 7 that type of thing and small rilfe primers, .308 are large rifle primers and completely different powder, someone should come along with the link to the website for reloading recipes which escapes me and it tells you what powder was used and results etc. essential site to bookmark.

[garyb]

Reloaders Nest ?

[rabbithunter]

Have a look at this table

http://www.reloadersnest.com/burnrates.asp

[njc110381]

Benchmark is a cracking powder for .223. No idea about the .308 though because I've never loaded for it. You're better off getting two that suit each round well than making do with a poor choice in both.

[macca]

Hi,

I think you will find a lot of Hogdon Powders are in fact rebadged ADI powders made in Australia. I believe this may be the case with Hogdon 4895 (in fact ADI AR2206H). Benchmark is in fact our benchmark 2 and Varget is our AR2208. All three powders can be used in both cartridges. Also our fullbore shooters are restricted to AR2206H (4895) for all cartridges shot. I use it in my 223, 6BR dasher and my 7/08. I use benchmark in my 17MKIV, 300/221, 25/20 and 22BR.

Cheers

 

PS check out this website http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-guide/rifle.asp

Edited September 2, 2010 by macca

[Rem223]

If you were after one powder for both cartridges Varget would probably be a good option, but as suggested above you will probably get better results with dedicated powders for each calibre.

[macca]

4895 (AR2206H) is the most versatile powder in the ADI lineup. Gives brilliant results with the 150 gn Sierra palma in 308 and 80 gn sierra in 223. For lighter projectiles in the 223 you cant go past benchmark.

Cheers

[Mr_Logic]

Varget or H4895. Accurate 2230 is also very good, along with RL15.

[Vince Green]

If you can find one powder for both calibres its nice to eliminate one variable from the list of possible things that can go wrong by mixing them up.

[Vince Green]

Hi,

I think you will find a lot of Hogdon Powders are in fact rebadged ADI powders made in Australia. I believe this may be the case with Hogdon 4895 (in fact ADI AR2206H). Benchmark is in fact our benchmark 2 and Varget is our AR2208. All three powders can be used in both cartridges. Also our fullbore shooters are restricted to AR2206H (4895) for all cartridges shot. I use it in my 223, 6BR dasher and my 7/08. I use benchmark in my 17MKIV, 300/221, 25/20 and 22BR.

Cheers

 

PS check out this website http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-guide/rifle.asp

A lot of powders are rebadged and offered under various names/ makes around the world. It just makes things more confusing. I go back far enough to remember when we only had Nobel powders and it was easy then. You had Nobel No1, No2, and No3 and that was it.

[6br]

you could try varget or v140 I know a few that use these for both .223 & .308.

[macca]

Hi,

best powder for 223/308 - AR2206H (4895). I use 25.5gn behing 55 gn Nosler shots in my heavy barrel Sako 223. I use 40 gn behind 139gn Hornady SST's in my Rossler Titan 7/08. Both extremely accurate loads. Cheers

[garyb]

Interesting...

 

I've now done some research into this, as I've just purchased a .308Win myself. Seems like my original answer isn't all true!

 

Varget is suitable for 308 (150 grain) and I know just how good it is in .22CF use - I'd get a tub of that then as a starting point perhaps.

 

I've used Varget in .223 & .243, but the load data shows it's no good for 100grn out of the 243... not quite sure why it works in 308 with 150grn then ?

 

Give it a go ?

[DaveK]

you could try varget or v140 I know a few that use these for both .223 & .308.

 

Beat me to it. Both versatile powders. The viht probably has the edge as it burns cleaner.

 

Not 100% sure but I believe that Viht n-133 can be used for both. Hate to be seen saying this but "I think I've read it somewhere"

[macca]

Interesting...

 

I've now done some research into this, as I've just purchased a .308Win myself. Seems like my original answer isn't all true!

 

Varget is suitable for 308 (150 grain) and I know just how good it is in .22CF use - I'd get a tub of that then as a starting point perhaps.

 

I've used Varget in .223 & .243, but the load data shows it's no good for 100grn out of the 243... not quite sure why it works in 308 with 150grn then ?

 

Give it a go ?

Just checked the ADI website - AR2208 (varget)is fine for 100gn projectile out of a 243 - 33.7gn for 2840fps.

The following gives powder equivaqlents . It is also set out in burn rate - fastest to slowest

http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-...equivalents.asp

Cheers

[garyb]

Macca, The problem I found is that varget in 243 with 100 grain is it's borderline on the legal Deer ME limit (with the Hodgdon load data). You have to run it pretty hot to see over 1700 ft/lbs, where as some of the other Hodgdon powders will push the pill that bit faster.

 

Obviously fine as a target / plinking or varmint bullets.

Edited September 7, 2010 by garyb

[macca]

Macca, The problem I found is that varget in 243 with 100 grain is it's borderline on the legal Deer ME limit (with the Hodgdon load data). You have to run it pretty hot to see over 1700 ft/lbs, where as some of the other Hodgdon powders will push the pill that bit faster.

 

Obviously fine as a target / plinking or varmint bullets.

Hi,

the load I quoted will give you around 1800ftlbs. If you want that extra 100fps then you may try AR2209 (4350).

If you want to use varget I suggest a 75 grain projectile with 37.5 -38 gn AR2208 to give a muzzle velocity of 3300-3400fps with an energy of 1800-1900ftlbs.

My 22BR which I use for cull work gives 3700fps with a 50g soft point for 1520 ftlbs of energy.

The kinetic energy energy of the projectile is far more affected by velocity than mass.

Cheers

[Kes]

HI

I think I would try 2 powders.

I was given a load to suit my .223 when I bought it from another keen shooter. He recommended Vit133 with 40 grain v-max for foxing. I cant fault this combination and it produces 3,600 fps and lots of energy dissipation from a moderately fast burning powder.

For your other calibre, you may want to use a slower burn if you are looking to shoot heavy bullets.

A good reloading manual will allow you to optimise to a single powder if you choose to but one or other calibre will not be the absolute best load/bullet combination for that rifle.

Good shooting whichever choice you make.