.17 mach 2

[the running man]

Oh I know that mate, if I came across wrong sorry.

 

I must say, I am a little intruiged by the less popular calibres, thats why I have a slot for a .204 too. I'd like a lr again, still debating whether just to try again, but past experience has put me off, but as I've said I had very little experience then.

try the trafalgar meeting at bisley, you will see some odd calibres there! 204 is a cracking round,hyper accurate,just hasent yet caught on......there's an obsolete calibre called the .225 ,bit up from a .223 ,supposed to be shootings lost best round, some manufacturer will champion its cause one day and that will be the new in thing! See ya.

[bigstevouk]

I can't find anyone within 20 miles who sells it here...

 

Well you haven't looked very far as Joe at the Gunshop East Barnet keeps it in stock

[Devonhunter]

You only have to ask your rfd to ring eley and they will send some rounds to him for you.

[casts_by_fly]

try the trafalgar meeting at bisley, you will see some odd calibres there! 204 is a cracking round,hyper accurate,just hasent yet caught on......there's an obsolete calibre called the .225 ,bit up from a .223 ,supposed to be shootings lost best round, some manufacturer will champion its cause one day and that will be the new in thing! See ya.

 

 

That would be the 225 winchester. It was supposed to replace the 220 swift when it was launched. The problem was that remmington released the 22-250 the next year. The 22-250 was already popular with handloaders. It had a name. It had a product champion. The rest, as they say, is history.

 

The 225 win does still have some fans in break barrel gun guys. A rimmed cartridge is easier to pull out of a gun than a rimless. The 225 is a good cartridge for the Encore platform. As such, JD Jones used the 225 to make the JDJ series of cartridges. They are the 225 necked up to the common diameters for use in break barrel guns (not too different to the Waters series of 30-30 necked down).

 

Thanks,

Rick

[the running man]

That would be the 225 winchester. It was supposed to replace the 220 swift when it was launched. The problem was that remmington released the 22-250 the next year. The 22-250 was already popular with handloaders. It had a name. It had a product champion. The rest, as they say, is history.

 

The 225 win does still have some fans in break barrel gun guys. A rimmed cartridge is easier to pull out of a gun than a rimless. The 225 is a good cartridge for the Encore platform. As such, JD Jones used the 225 to make the JDJ series of cartridges. They are the 225 necked up to the common diameters for use in break barrel guns (not too different to the Waters series of 30-30 necked down).

 

Thanks,

Rick

Yes it a bit of a shame wasent it,but I may re emerge! How about the .22 jet! Or bee!

[casts_by_fly]

I have a Kimber in 17 Mach II. Out here the ammo is cheaper than the HMR. I wouldnt swap this rifle for the world. Excellent POA gun to 125 metres for foxes in the chest. Excellent head shot rabbit gun to 100m. Significantly quieter than the HMR. If this calibre had been introduced before the HMR then it would enjoy far more popularity.

Cheers

 

 

Hi Macca,

 

I'm not sure I agree with that. I think if the HM2 were launched first then the TOTAL popularity of both rounds would be less. The HM2 wouldn't have been too much of an upgrade over what was available, then the HMR wouldn't have been much of an upgrade over that. Since the HMR went first it was a significant change to anything out there. The HM2 came along as kind of a little brother and added more sales.

 

However, the HM2 is very niche regardless of what order they were launched in. It will always be just a little better than a 22 and not quite as good as the HMR. The HM2's realistic uses are small mammals under 100 yards. Between the HM2 and HMR, the HMR wins everything except for price and the only people caring about price are volume shooters. Put those two together and the realistic people who shoot large volumes of small mammals at 100 yards or less are (in this country) rabbit controllers and (in the US) prairie dog shooters. For the rabbit shooters, most are going to shoot a 22 with subs because they are cheaper and quieter. Pest control of rabbits in this country is a close range affair, so no need for the extra range of the HM2 most of the time compared to the extra noise incurred. On the US side the volume prairie dog shooters are reloading anyway, and you can reload a 17 hornet, 22 hornet, or other small cartridge about the same price as HM2 with the extra accuracy and more power as a result. Long story short, there isn't a volume shooting group that would adopt it as a prmary cartridge.

 

If you nullify the cost savings benefit, then the HMR is the clear winner of the two. I don't think the HM2 will ever be or could have even been a highly successful cartridge. The HMR however does fill a need as a higher power, highly accurate rimfire. Consequently it has pushed the development of the 22 WMR to better accuracy which is a nice side benefit.

 

Thanks

Rick

[macca]

Hi Rick

The mach II has got to be the best rabbit gun to 100m going and you should see the number of rabbits out here. There are places where you could easily use a box or two a night.

Cheers