Gun Cabinet Install

[twitchynik]

Quick question around the fixing bolts. Have searched and only found things like using resins, and different fixing types etc but nothing on the diameter and length etc.

 

So I reckon these bolts http://www.screwfix.com/cats/101217/Fixings/Multi-Monti are what I need (bolting the cab onto a brick wall) but what size?

 

Am thinking the 12mm head (10mm drill) and 80mm long one should do the job. Effectively an M10 coach bolt.

 

Any thoughts?

[Paddy Galore!]

depends on the thickness of the wall but 100mm M10 bolts are ideal, if you're using resin as an anchor then a 12mm drill.

need instructions?

[hermun]

you need anchor type bolts which expand inside the hole as they tighten

sizes you gave are more than enough imo

 

local builder merchant will have bucket loads

[apache]

If you use those bolts pre drill a smaller diameter hole and then use a good quality drill bit to do the final hole - slowly and accurately (without hammer if you can get away with it).

 

I used some once with an old drill bit I had laying about that was the supposed correct size but the hole was too big for a decent purchase - hence the first time I tried chemical anchors. Even a tiny bend in the drill bit shaft will give you an oversized hole.

[lspencer]

I used M10 'Anchor bolts', if you search screwfix for 'anchor bolts' you will see a variety. I used the shielded ones but they were only about 2" in length. Police were more than happy. I never used any resin.

Edited September 27, 2010 by lspencer

[Paddy Galore!]

depends if you like faffing about with rawl bolts or not, resin is easier, faster and just as strong, if not stronger (IMHO)

[lspencer]

Hilti Do a very good resin if your set on using resin fixings

[apache]

depends if you like faffing about with rawl bolts or not, resin is easier, faster and just as strong, if not stronger (IMHO)

I have no intention of pratting about with a sleeved bolt spinning in a hole ever again!

[twitchynik]

Cheers fellas.

 

I'm actually torn between those Multi-Monti's and traditional anchor bolts and what you said about the hole diameter, Apache, has got me leaning towards an anchor now. Seems like less chance of problems of bolts not purchasing.

 

House is Victorian - walls are plenty thick for a 100mm bolt!

[Kilvy]

Or if you live in a **** new house like me i've had too use 16mm stud 320mm long (24mm nut heads) resined in to the outer brick as sod all would get a good hold!!!!! ... mind you the Fao that came to check it was well impressed!

[twitchynik]

I have no intention of pratting about with a sleeved bolt spinning in a hole ever again!

 

Ah you ******!

 

So go on then, point me in the direction of a resin that doesn't require an expensive or fancy gun to apply it. Don't have any use for one once the bolts are in place. Am not renting so have no worries there.

[Paddy Galore!]

Ah you ******!

 

So go on then, point me in the direction of a resin that doesn't require an expensive or fancy gun to apply it. Don't have any use for one once the bolts are in place. Am not renting so have no worries there.

A company called SPIT make one that fits in an ordinary mastic gun, about 15 quid inc vat, a specialist hilti gun is a bit pricey for a one off job, i've got one but i do this kind of thing quite a lot.

[Hucky]

I would go with anchor fixings, more tolerant if you hit a frog or hard / soft brick. I put in 8mm shank with oversize washers. 8mm will carry a tonne or so, plenty strong enough when there are 4 in the wall (plus 2 in the floor on my cabinet) Car cylinder head is only held on by 8 studs and that takes a real beating. Remember to put it in a left hand corner if you can as well. One tip is to put the plug in the wall without the cabinet and tighten up, remve the bolts and then offer up the cabinet and fix.

[twitchynik]

A company called SPIT make one that fits in an ordinary mastic gun, about 15 quid inc vat, a specialist hilti gun is a bit pricey for a one off job, i've got one but i do this kind of thing quite a lot.

 

Is this the stuff?

 

http://www.tool-net.co.uk/p-336753/itw-spi...mastic-gun.html

[twitchynik]

I would go with anchor fixings, more tolerant if you hit a frog or hard / soft brick. I put in 8mm shank with oversize washers. 8mm will carry a tonne or so, plenty strong enough when there are 4 in the wall (plus 2 in the floor on my cabinet) Car cylinder head is only held on by 8 studs and that takes a real beating. Remember to put it in a left hand corner if you can as well. One tip is to put the plug in the wall without the cabinet and tighten up, remve the bolts and then offer up the cabinet and fix.

 

Thanks for that - top tip with the plugs!

[apache]

Ah you ******!

 

So go on then, point me in the direction of a resin that doesn't require an expensive or fancy gun to apply it. Don't have any use for one once the bolts are in place. Am not renting so have no worries there.

See this thread

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...howtopic=139008

[HDAV]

if the house brick decent shield anchors SPIT do some nice ones with the proper size drill bit........are fine! of course you have to tighten them before fitting the cabinet and you need to mark accurately, cheap ones can and do fall apart ( i have fitted hundreds of them!)

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Screws+Fix...0/sd2792/p35281 are ideal

 

I also like Fischer High performance anchor FH II

[twitchynik]

As suspected, the sleeve anchors (http://www.screwfix.com/prods/66010/Fixings/Sleeve-Anchors/Fischer-FSA-Sleeve-Anchors-10-x-95mm-Pack-of-20) didn't work terribly well with the bottom two not gripping.

 

Finally gave up trying and got some resin and stud bolts which worked a treat :

 

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/51021/Fixing...ter-Resin-100ml probably not enough for 4 100mm bolts. The nest size up can be used with a standard applicator gun.

 

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/45436/Fixing...10mm-Pack-of-10

 

So if you have crumbly old bricks then I reckon resin is the only way forward.

[mpk]

I took apache's advice and used the system from screw fix. I can honestly say that it was the easiest it has ever been and I will never use anchors again, all together for 5 studs and enough resin to do 3 cabinets it cost me about £8.00. The cabinet is very secure it REALY does work and is good stuff.

[apache]

I took apache's advice and used the system from screw fix. I can honestly say that it was the easiest it has ever been and I will never use anchors again, all together for 5 studs and enough resin to do 3 cabinets it cost me about £8.00. The cabinet is very secure it REALY does work and is good stuff.