DaveK Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) Just been through a renewal and adding a .243 in Herts Kes and no problems at all, haven't done DSC yet got Deer "when accompanied" as a condition and thats it. All firearms are covered for pest control and where legal deer which pretty much covers most things, I used to have pests and fox but they seem to have dropped the fox bit but hey in my eyes they are pests. Its a shame its such a post code lottery All your firearms might be covered for pest control but mine aint. My .243 is only conditioned for deer and fox and my .223 isn't conditioned for small deer. On the upside, my .22rf is still conditioned for fox. Postcode lottery is spot on. Edited October 21, 2010 by DaveK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 243 is only conditioned for deer and fox got vermin on mine, perhaps you did not try hard enough. :yes: :yes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 I wanted to upgrade to a .243 for vermin and to shoot deer in the future.The FEO would not give me a .243, even though my land is cleared for it, and would not accept future intentions as justification for a .243. Kes your FEO does not have the authority to say no to your request, write to your Licensing office stating your case for a 243, the decision is that of the firearms licensing manager on behalf of the cheif constable. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 243 is only conditioned for deer and foxgot vermin on mine, perhaps you did not try hard enough. :yes: :yes: Ah, but I didn't get Ian Clark on the job. I might just stir the pot a bit and ask for it. might even demand small deer for the .223 while I'm at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Kes your FEO does not have the authority to say no to your request, write to your Licensing office stating your case for a 243, the decision is that of the firearms licensing manager on behalf of the cheif constable. Ian. The FEO only applies what the manager dictates . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Ah, but I didn't get Ian Clark on the job. I might just stir the pot a bit and ask for it. might even demand small deer for the .223 while I'm at it. best bend over and brace yersen then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 The minimum calibre for Muntjac and CWD in England and Wales is .224 not .20. If the land has already had people shooting on it, it does not automatically mean it is cleared, the shooters may have had open tickets which means they can shoot whatever calibres they have on land that is not cleared or only cleared for calibres that the police deem safe for the land, work that one out!!! Ian. The minimum calibre in England and Wales for small deer is 220 not 224 isnt it. England and Wales For Muntjac and Chinese Water deer only- a rifle with a minimum calibre of not less than .220 inches and muzzle energy of not less than 1000 foot pounds and a bullet weight of not less than 50 grains may be used. For all deer of any species - a minimum calibre of .240 and minimum muzzle energy of 1,700 foot pounds is the legal requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 I agree with Vermincinerator on this one.I was told that as an open ticket holder. its my responsibility to ensure my shooting is safe in all aspects. I even asked the FEO if I could shoot the .223 in my field next to another house (zeroing) and he said, yes, if you have a substantial earth mound constructed and the shot direction was away from adjacent houses. He did add he would not advise it, I confirmed it was only the principle I was after - I would not shoot a .223 so near to any house. My ticket is for .223 and .22lr. I wanted to upgrade to a .243 for vermin and to shoot deer in the future. The FEO would not give me a .243, even though my land is cleared for it, and would not accept future intentions as justification for a .243. My authority is Cheshire I will be talking to them again after talking to BASC, as I cannot see the justification for their view on a .243 for vermin (my ticket is specific) I am happy to do a DSC1 for the deer element of getting a .243 as thatn is a responsble path. I do however get the feeling that they would not allow me to shoot on 'open'(i.e. anwhere I deemed safe) for a .243, as its a larger calibre (barely). Any advice would also be appreciated. Cheers Kes Cheshire are a pain to deal with i have had my FAC for almost 15yrs and still have probs with them..as we speak i have george wallace from NGO on a case to get vermin put on for all my rifles..as at mo carrying 2 is unsafe esp when having to leave one in the car in middle of no where. Where in cheshire are you from ? PM me. Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanhutchison Posted October 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Can anyone tell me if this cabbinet is worth the money? http://www.djsproducts.com/product.php?product_id=36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Can anyone tell me if this cabbinet is worth the money?http://www.djsproducts.com/product.php?product_id=36 One of these would be a better choice in my opinion-,can't beat a Brattonsound safe http://www.safesecurityservices.co.uk/cabi...CFSr-2AodTT-Uzw Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 The minimum calibre for Muntjac and CWD in England and Wales is .224 not .20. Ian. We are both wrong, it's .220. Taken from the Basc website. 'For Muntjac and Chinese Water deer only- a rifle with a minimum calibre of not less than .220 inches and muzzle energy of not less than 1000 foot pounds and a bullet weight of not less than 50 grains may be used.'' http://www.basc.org.uk/en/codes-of-practic...er-stalking.cfm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Can anyone tell me if this cabbinet is worth the money?http://www.djsproducts.com/product.php?product_id=36 Looks like a good cabinet and a good price, however the firearms act does not state that your firearms must be kept in a cabinet, do not fall for "Police approved" cabinets there is no such thing and dont let the police tell you that only certain cabinets are adequate. TB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 I agree with Vermincinerator on this one.I was told that as an open ticket holder. its my responsibility to ensure my shooting is safe in all aspects. I even asked the FEO if I could shoot the .223 in my field next to another house (zeroing) and he said, yes, if you have a substantial earth mound constructed and the shot direction was away from adjacent houses. He did add he would not advise it, I confirmed it was only the principle I was after - I would not shoot a .223 so near to any house. My ticket is for .223 and .22lr. I wanted to upgrade to a .243 for vermin and to shoot deer in the future. The FEO would not give me a .243, even though my land is cleared for it, and would not accept future intentions as justification for a .243. My authority is Cheshire I will be talking to them again after talking to BASC, as I cannot see the justification for their view on a .243 for vermin (my ticket is specific) I am happy to do a DSC1 for the deer element of getting a .243 as thatn is a responsble path. I do however get the feeling that they would not allow me to shoot on 'open'(i.e. anwhere I deemed safe) for a .243, as its a larger calibre (barely). Any advice would also be appreciated. Cheers Kes i had to book a days stalking to get a 243 off cheshire and they added deer and fox whilst stalking for my 223 they added small deer and fox and on my 17rem they but vermin need any more info pm me mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Many thanks to Mick and Mark and the rest of you chaps. I will try the FEO again and get a response in writing, before contacting BASC. (My former FEO here was a helpful and considerate chap who was a fieldsports person.) Its difficult to know the best way to approach this, as it may inevitably influence their future approach, if not decisions. Still, if I dont challenge it, when clearly their response is wrong, some other shooter will subsequently suffer the same response as a result. Interesting really, I used to work with the police in Cheshire and was shown around the firearms unit by a very competent and very likeable ACE. We got along well professionally and I would have been completely confident in a decision from a department run by him. Sadly, he retired about the same time !!! The experience and cumulative knowledge available via the contributors to the site is an amazing and very helpful resource - long may it continue. Thanks again - Kes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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