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fortune82

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Come on Cat think straight, he obviously can't get the same thrill from shooting rabbits after all they are only quite small (they might be edible and a nuisance to the farmer but they're not a real mans' quarry). This guy obviously needs to kill something worthwhile and until badger comes on the quarry list the fox will have to do.

 

Mr P

 

PS Before you all start jumping down my throat I'm not an anti, I was one of the 407,791 marching through London in 2002 to try and keep hunting with hounds and I shoot pigeons and game whenever possible. I believe that control of foxes is an unfortunate necessity to protect livestock including gamebirds but frankly I detest the term "foxing". My two pennies worth is that with modern rifles and superb optics (including night vision) not forgetting store bought calls and electronic callers it must be harder to miss a fox rather than kill it!!

If people have to shoot foxes for the legitimate reasons above then so be it, no issue but if you're fortunate enough not to have a "fox problem" then prove you're a sharp shooter on the range not by trawling the internet looking for "foxing"

 

 

Cant help but thinking you are being a bit hypocritical. You shoot game and pigeons whenever possible. Is that becasue pigeons are always causing a problem or just because you like to kill them. Mr fox may well be fine one day but will certainly take someones game or livestock at some point just as your pigeons will one day eat someones crops.

 

As for hunting, I was sad to see it go nationally but not locally where I lived in Scotland. The hunt were a bunch of ***** who regularly caused damage to our shoot. We also had to leave foxes alone to eat our game so they could play chase every so often.

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Richie10

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read into it what you like but 200 is one hell of a lot of foxes each year with shotguns :oops:

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/125544-fac-for-a-occassional-stalker/page__p__1081846__fromsearch__1#entry1081846

 

I go shooting with a friend with his .223.

Go find a post on that.

Point was infact that so what about numbers and nothing to do with offering a service as he was stating.

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Devon Fox

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never heard of anyone with a game shoot leaving the foxes alone during the season. Must be an odd northern tradition where the pheasants are harder or something. Also never heard of pheasants getting used to gunfire and not flying so you learn something every day.

Round us we lay off the rabbit shooting near woods during the season and are out regularly after the foxes as the occasional centrefire round going off is nothing compared to the damage foxes do down here

 

I agree al4x - strange.

 

The game season (especially the start with stupid poults) we are out as much as we can, we have 2/3 teams which liase and cover the shoot - As long as you use common sense and dont shine up roost areas etc the birds do not give a stuff :good:

 

When we are out foxing, we would be lucky (if you count having foxes prowling the shoot as lucky - contradiction really?)to fire more than 2 - 3 shots, I cant see the harm :hmm:

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I agree al4x - strange.

 

The game season (especially the start with stupid poults) we are out as much as we can, we have 2/3 teams which liase and cover the shoot - As long as you use common sense and dont shine up roost areas etc the birds do not give a stuff :good:

 

When we are out foxing, we would be lucky (if you count having foxes prowling the shoot as lucky - contradiction really?)to fire more than 2 - 3 shots, I cant see the harm :hmm:

 

I know two people who shoot foxes on land around Barnsley (Dove Valley) - around 150 - 200 a year between them and they are out three days a week 52 weeks a year. I think the problem here is that no farmer or land owner in his right mind is going to let a stranger loose on his land with a foxing rifle. There is no obligation on a land owner's part to allow someone onto their land to shoot anything unless the land owner can see good reason for it. If they have a fox problem it is usually because their land is part of a shoot (in which case the shooting tennant or shoot captain organises the foxing) or it is a poultry or sheep farm (in which case they aren't going to let a stranger loose with a .222 for fear of damage, etc).

 

Also, they guys I know are very protective about their shooting for good reason. They are hardly likely to offer to take out a complete itchy-fingered stranger just because they can't get any shooting themselves.

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jason kaye

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I know two people who shoot foxes on land around Barnsley (Dove Valley) - around 150 - 200 a year between them and they are out three days a week 52 weeks a year. I think the problem here is that no farmer or land owner in his right mind is going to let a stranger loose on his land with a foxing rifle. There is no obligation on a land owner's part to allow someone onto their land to shoot anything unless the land owner can see good reason for it. If they have a fox problem it is usually because their land is part of a shoot (in which case the shooting tennant or shoot captain organises the foxing) or it is a poultry or sheep farm (in which case they aren't going to let a stranger loose with a .222 for fear of damage, etc).

 

Also, they guys I know are very protective about their shooting for good reason. They are hardly likely to offer to take out a complete itchy-fingered stranger just because they can't get any shooting themselves.

 

Obviously,you havn't read any of my earlier posts :hmm: I have got shooting land of my own,but don't have an itchy finger as you put it,the keepers and syndicate captain do not want us lamping during the season,I'm not saying it disturbs the birds and I'm not saying it doesn't all I'm saying is if I want to keep my permissions I have to respect their wishes.As for land owners not wanting anyone on their land with a rifle how do you think people get permission in the first place? ??? And as for your "mates" in the Dove Valley,good on them ,but I havn't asked "them" for anything and if they've got an attitude anything like you neither would I,all I've asked is if anyone needed a hand or a bit of banter with a likeminded shooter get in touch ,they obviously havn't and it's not the end of the world is it.This is my final post on this thread so if anyone wants to insinuate anything or slag me off and make presumptious remarks feel free.

 

Jase.

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Dave-G

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It was me who suggested lamping might disturb the birds and get them used to gunfire.

 

TBH thats me guessing why the various keepers of shoots on four chunks of land belonging to a 2000+ acre estate and another who is adamant the lamp and shots disturb roosting birds in the pen require that I stand down from early September till 2nd Feb. Their shoots are good earners and I haven't asked the specific reason in case it comes over as a challenge. If there is another reason then so be it.

 

They dont want me shooting during that period so I don't, end of. I get to drive and shoot it for about seven months a year which is better than loosing it for questioning why surely? The syndicates won't conduct vermin control but the farm manager wants the rabbits dealt with so made this arrangement.

 

I have other places to shoot that I 'rest for this period.

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