scope for lamping

[pestcontroller4u]

can anyone recommend a decent none parallax scope for lamping with a legal limit air rifle.

[Dekers]

can anyone recommend a decent none parallax scope for lamping with a legal limit air rifle.

 

 

Look, I'm going to be honest with you.. (sounds familier)

 

The lamp is more important, YES a £1000-£1500 scope is likely to have the edge, but with a good lamp almost ANY scope will do at Air Rifle distances!

Edited November 17, 2010 by Dekers

[pestcontroller4u]

Look, I'm going to be honest with you.. (sounds familier)

 

The lamp is more important, YES a £1000-£1500 scope is likely to have the edge, but with a good lamp almost ANY scope will do at Air Rifle distances!

but surely some scopes will be better when used with a lamp

[Alpha Mule]

I'm with Dekers here. I use a Nikko Sterling 3-9x40 (permanently set at x6) which works fine for lamping.

I have an Ultrafire 501D lamp clamped below the barrel (to eliminate glare from the moderator) with a squeeze swith velcrod to the stock, which is fine for the ranges a non-FAC air rifle will manage. My only gripe is that there is a bit too much 'flood' instead of 'throw'.

[bullet boy]

A Bushnell Trophy 3-9x40 or a Simmons WTC 3.5-10x50.These in my opinion are excellent scopes for your intended use.

[UKPoacher]

I'm with Dekers here. I use a Nikko Sterling 3-9x40 (permanently set at x6) which works fine for lamping.

I have an Ultrafire 501D lamp clamped below the barrel (to eliminate glare from the moderator) with a squeeze swith velcrod to the stock, which is fine for the ranges a non-FAC air rifle will manage. My only gripe is that there is a bit too much 'flood' instead of 'throw'.

 

Take a 35mm film tub and cut the bottom off it. Smooth the edges using emery cloth and if the tub isn't black wrap black electrical tape around it. The end that the cap fits on will slide snugly onto your Ultrafire 501 lamp and elimimate much of the close up glare.

[Dekers]

but surely some scopes will be better when used with a lamp

 

 

If you can't see the target with a CHEAP scope and a good lamp at 12 ft lb Air Rifle ranges may I suggest a trip to Specsavers!

 

ATB!

[pestcontroller4u]

If you can't see the target with a CHEAP scope and a good lamp at 12 ft lb Air Rifle ranges may I suggest a trip to Specsavers!

 

ATB!

i did not say i could not see the target with a cheap scope and good lamp,i started the thread to find out which none parallax scope would be ideal has i fancy a change from a parallax scope.

[Dekers]

i did not say i could not see the target with a cheap scope and good lamp,i started the thread to find out which none parallax scope would be ideal has i fancy a change from a parallax scope.

 

 

ATB with your quest, there are hundreds if not thousands and everyone will tell you theres is best!

 

I'm really not trying to be funny, but your question is akin to the .... How long is a piece of string, there just isn't an answer!

[pestcontroller4u]

ATB with your quest, there are hundreds if not thousands and everyone will tell you theres is best!

 

I'm really not trying to be funny, but your question is akin to the .... How long is a piece of string, there just isn't an answer!

maybe there is no answer but if i could just get a general feel has to what none parallax scopes people use.

[bullet boy]

I've mentioned 2 excellent scopes mate?

[pestcontroller4u]

I've mentioned 2 excellent scopes mate?

you certainly have,i intend to see if my local gun shop stock both,that way i can look through both to see which best suits me,one might suit one person but not another.

[John-B]

simmons wtc 3.5-10x50, tremendous in low light, but for lamping with a air rifle almost any scope will do, i'm currently using a hawke sport hd 3-9x50 but i leave it on 4xmag when lamping, no problems at all.

hardest thing about lamping with a air rifle as you will no doubt find out is judging distances.

[pestcontroller4u]

simmons wtc 3.5-10x50, tremendous in low light, but for lamping with a air rifle almost any scope will do, i'm currently using a hawke sport hd 3-9x50 but i leave it on 4xmag when lamping, no problems at all.

hardest thing about lamping with a air rifle as you will no doubt find out is judging distances.

iv'e been lamping for a few years now and still misjudge the odd distance

[Colster]

I agree with Dekers, with a lamp to provide the light most scopes will be fine. The only thing I would say is that I'd avoid going too big for the front end (ideally under 50) as without parallax adjustment the narrower depth of field of a big front end scope can give you focus problems at high mag. It's not a big issue though as you probably won't be using mag much over 6x and your range is fairly narrow anyway but it can help in spotting them at a distance if you do wind the mag up.

 

I have a little Simmons 8 point on my FAC Air which is a lovely scope but any decent 3-9x40 will do.

[Stratts]

I have the Simmons WTC 3.5-10 x 50 and it's an excellent scope around dusk and when lamping. I keep it on 6x zeroed at 31 yards which give me the optimum killzone of 1" between 10 and 35 yards

[Dekers]

I have the Simmons WTC 3.5-10 x 50 and it's an excellent scope around dusk and when lamping. I keep it on 6x zeroed at 31 yards which give me the optimum killzone of 1" between 10 and 35 yards

 

 

Just a quick word of caution, the ORIGINAL Simmons WTC 3.5-10 x 50 was built in the Philippines, this is the scope that cemented the excellent reputation of the scope and retailed for between £200-£210. I had one for many years and still got a sensible price when I moved it on.

 

They are very well made and have excellent Optics for the money!

 

BUT BUT BUT, and many now know this, they are no longer built in the Philippines and no longer of a comparable standard, they probably still offer reasonable value for money (as they are a lot cheaper) but do not confuse the current WTC with the original!

 

ATB!

[Stratts]

Ok mate thanks for the info it came with my rifle that I bought 2nd hand this year. Any idea how to tell if it's an early one?

 

Ta

[Dave-G]

Although there are exceptions, mainly down to quality and therefore cost, but I understand a general and good rule of thumb is that fewer lenses let in more light. Economy lenses lose up to 10% or so - ISTR having read in places, and 10% less of something badly needed is rather a lot.

 

For that reason a lamp that leaves a bit wanting, especially if a red lamp filter is used, might have enough light to use with a fixed mag scope that a variable mag might miss out on. I'm sure that could be worded better but I'm slighlty dyslexic.

 

 

 

 

Question rather than claim: Does anyone know how many more lenses are in a variable than a fixed mag scope? The above 10% ish example is assuming there is only one extra lense, if there are two extra then perhaps we might be getting 20% ish less red light through variables?

Edited November 19, 2010 by Dave-G

[Dekers]

Ok mate thanks for the info it came with my rifle that I bought 2nd hand this year. Any idea how to tell if it's an early one?

 

Ta

 

 

It says Philippines under the saddle!

[Dekers]

Although there are exceptions, mainly down to quality and therefore cost, but I understand a general and good rule of thumb is that fewer lenses let in more light. Economy lenses lose up to 10% or so - ISTR having read in places, and 10% less of something badly needed is rather a lot.

 

For that reason a lamp that leaves a bit wanting, especially if a red lamp filter is used, might have enough light to use with a fixed mag scope that a variable mag might miss out on. I'm sure that could be worded better but I'm slighlty dyslexic.

 

 

 

 

Question rather than claim: Does anyone know how many more lenses are in a variable than a fixed mag scope? The above 10% ish example is assuming there is only one extra lense, if there are two extra then perhaps we might be getting 20% ish less red light through variables?

 

In principle what you are saying is correct, fixed mag scopes generally have less elements than variable, but the execution is not that simple...there are lenses and lenses, there are exit diameters and tube diameters....and there are lamps and lamps and etc, etc, and in this instance we are also talking 12ft lb air rifle range!!!

[hoTshoT-16]

i use a hawke 3-9x40 sport hd

about £40 good scope