sarol Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 can anyone tell me where i can find a pattern plate i can use in south essex? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 can anyone tell me where i can find a pattern plate i can use in south essex? thanks Just get an old cardboard box or two from Tesco's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 Just get an old cardboard box or two from Tesco's lyevale express actully manufacture a pattern plate,but god knows the hassle ude have getting one or 5! As said b4 just a gert big box,the bigger the better,its the right time of year too as loads of folk would have had a new tv,fridge etc for crimbo,so go curb crawlin on bin day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 lyevale express actully manufacture a pattern plate,but god knows the hassle ude have getting one or 5! As said b4 just a gert big box,the bigger the better,its the right time of year too as loads of folk would have had a new tv,fridge etc for crimbo,so go curb crawlin on bin day! Kibworth SG sell those lyalvale pattern plates but at £1 each they're a bit painful to shoot at, esp if you need a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarol Posted January 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 i was not thinking of buying one. i meant is there a club with one setup? i have not got the land to do it my self yet. the neighbours might get the hump if i start going it in the back garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Permanent plates use whitewash and you shoot, observe the pattern placement, and re-white the board. These are quick and easy to use, but are poor for anything other than diagnosing gun fit / eye problems with pattern placement vs point of aim. As suggested - get some wallpaper or similar and pin squares of the sheets to strawbales. Shoot with your different chokes, starting at 20metres. Keep each sheet and analyse the results to confirm your gun fit and the guns choke performance using a pellet count inside a 30" circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 i was not thinking of buying one. i meant is there a club with one setup? i have not got the land to do it my self yet. the neighbours might get the hump if i start going it in the back garden. Good point, use your bedroom wall mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 assuming you have a bedroom 20m across!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southrop Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I have learnt that to check poi on a pattern plate you must mount with a moving gun ie focus hard on the aim point gun out of shoulder barrels about a foot below aim point. Then mount up onto the aim point and fire as soon as gun is mounted. Repeat about six times using open choke from 16 yds. Adjust accordingly and check out on real clays. Ideally I think it is best to check poi on real clays but you need someone who can see where your shot is going so you can make the mods until you consistently smoke the targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) Its difficult to get good Point of Aim information on a static pattern plate when it comes to the fine tuning. If a person's mount is significantly wrong, or they have master eye problems the static plate will, in effect, say - yes we have a problem here - but the correction and tuning of eye problems and more precise point of aim diagnosis are better dealt with by other means. Becoming aware of the "quality of break" in live clay shooting is an important part of the progression to good shooting - and at the higher levels of shooting "smoking" clays is not in fact what one is trying to achieve as that is indicative of centre pattern strikes - while the best strike is in fact a front edge strike. The reason for this is that most misses are behind, and if you are consistently striking front edges with the leading nose of the pattern, but on one particular shot make a mistake - the probability of still achieving a strike as a chippy back edge score remains high as the pattern has trailing length - while the centre striker, i.e. smoker of clays , will loose some of these as they will only have half the shot string working for them. PoI with laser sighters, or even as crude as a penlight up the barrel, can give a lot more information than the static pattern plate as these systems can incorporate the full dynamics of the mount and swing - while a motionless plate does not do that. The ultimate plate is a moving one - and Broomhills certainly used to have a trolley mounted plate with about 30yds of run so that one could shoot a full pattern plate with a normal mount and swing ( any-one know if its still in operation there, or any-where esle there is such a system?). Many of the moving shot analysis done pre WWII used plates mounted on train rolling stock - but I'm not sure that shooting at a passing EuroStar today would go down to well. Pattern plates just shot at statically are the right thing for analysing shot performance and choke variation, but if PoI is the object - there are other better ways of dealing with that aspect that any competent instructor should be able to assist the shooter with. Edited January 7, 2011 by clayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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