jonesbach Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 i dont phone police or take records of permissions with me as most are verbal anyway. as far as one plod approaching an 'armed man' then followed by 8..bit strange. Only ever seen police dealing with a reported armed man and they arrived in bullet proof vests with shields and SA80's ready to go......! :look: :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Never seen a ARV equipped with SA80's ! It's not un common for pc's to approach suspected shooters, bit different if there is a threat to life though as that will be ARV only! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 wellll...you know..they were similar.lmao! couldnt get that close to it all as it was all area taped off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 So the cops have your mobile number and when they get a call joe public about a shooter on a certain piece of land they say "i wonder if thats nickbeardo" and ring you up? Wow!:o Have you told the police all the permissions you shoot on? Ian Don't be facetious - When i call in for a URN, they take my number - if they get a call from a MOP whilst the URN is open they then call me to check. I don't always call in, it depends on what land i'm shooting - a few of my farms are by the side of motorways or covered in footpaths so well worth it, as the likelihood of MOPs seeing me is high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Don't be facetious - When i call in for a URN, they take my number - if they get a call from a MOP whilst the URN is open they then call me to check. I don't always call in, it depends on what land i'm shooting - a few of my farms are by the side of motorways or covered in footpaths so well worth it, as the likelihood of MOPs seeing me is high. I'd agree its well worth it, you do have that slightly suspicious look about you that I can see making MOP's call the police Usually we don't but most ground I shoot on either has a full time keeper who gets the call and knows I'm out or the police have to access the farm through the farmyard and they know we're out. If you're in a really public place its well worth calling it in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I'd agree its well worth it, you do have that slightly suspicious look about you that I can see making MOP's call the police Usually we don't but most ground I shoot on either has a full time keeper who gets the call and knows I'm out or the police have to access the farm through the farmyard and they know we're out. If you're in a really public place its well worth calling it in For the sake of a 2 minute phone call, i cant see why some people make a fuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 For the sake of a 2 minute phone call, i cant see why some people make a fuss. Because I take a gun out with me most of the time, if I were to ring everytime I went onto the farm for any reason my phone bill would be horrendous, and its never 2 minutes, name, address, what I'm shooting, what quarry I'm shooting, what part of the land, how long I'll be, who I'm with, any vehicle? If reg numbers please etc they tell me to ring back, I'm a busy bloke so if I forget they ring me at stupid o'clock. No-one does that when they go out doing any other type of legal activity. Fair enough if you go out once a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Because I take a gun out with me most of the time, if I were to ring everytime I went onto the farm for any reason my phone bill would be horrendous, and its never 2 minutes, name, address, what I'm shooting, what quarry I'm shooting, what part of the land, how long I'll be, who I'm with, any vehicle? If reg numbers please etc they tell me to ring back, I'm a busy bloke so if I forget they ring me at stupid o'clock. No-one does that when they go out doing any other type of legal activity. Fair enough if you go out once a week. Apologies Kyska, my comment was aimed more at permissions that may be deemed to be a public place, i.e. Golf Courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 For the sake of a 2 minute phone call, i cant see why some people make a fuss. The fuss is all about shooters who are readily prepared to surrender information to the authorities, which they have no reason to be informed about. You are going about a legitimate pursuit which the law of the land has licensed you to do with out any intrusion, what you do within the confines of the law is your business and no one elses. Step outside those boundaries and thats a different matter. I have no intention and never will let the police know where i am going about my legitimate business unless required to do so by law. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 The fuss is all about shooters who are readily prepared to surrender information to the authorities, which they have no reason to be informed about. You are going about a legitimate pursuit which the law of the land has licensed you to do with out any intrusion, what you do within the confines of the law is your business and no one elses. Step outside those boundaries and thats a different matter. I have no intention and never will let the police know where i am going about my legitimate business unless required to do so by law. Ian. let me ask you the same question when you get your gun confiscated because they want to check the info, and you dont see it for 6 months! i'm just saying for the sake of 2 mins (time estimated by previous experience) if a call were to come in from Joe public then they have a record, chances are you wont be bothered! if say you could be seen from a house, and you were near houses which have previous for being broken into then you may find a few questions being asked! and if you say " i dont need permission to be here its verbal with the farmer / land owner" you are less likely to be believed! also what insurance implications you may have without written permission. what if a landowner / manager decided after you shot the neighbours Tabby cat, or bust a window that he never gave you permission. theres so many things that may or may not happen you'd be silly not to take care.! i can speak from experience and can tell you many stories of Jobs i have attended personally. its only advice, you dont have to listen and different forces are different in each area as we all know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Apologies Kyska, my comment was aimed more at permissions that may be deemed to be a public place, i.e. Golf Courses. No apologies needed old bean, even though I shoot over miles of footpath entwined and bissecting the land I shoot on, I still don't ring, I honestly firmly believe that it will not make a jot of difference to how the police react whether you have rung or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 No apologies needed old bean, even though I shoot over miles of footpath entwined and bissecting the land I shoot on, I still don't ring, I honestly firmly believe that it will not make a jot of difference to how the police react whether you have rung or not. see my previous post, i just think you cant be too careful these days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Silent kill, I have written permission slips for all my shooting ground and carry them with me at all times when i am shooting, together with a copy of my FAC, BASC mambership and Insurance policy number, i would advocate this to everyone. I have never gone shooting without them, i have even turned around and gone back home from 20 miles away after realising i had forgotten my documents. If i should ever be visited by the police while i am shooting, i have this information at hand and it can be readily cross referenced by them with little fuss, no need to confiscate my rifle because i have not done anything wrong. There is no legal requirement for me to inform the police when i go shooting and i never will unles i have to. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Silent kill, I have written permission slips for all my shooting ground and carry them with me at all times when i am shooting, together with a copy of my FAC, BASC mambership and Insurance policy number, i would advocate this to everyone. I have never gone shooting without them, i have even turned around and gone back home from 20 miles away after realising i had forgotten my documents. If i should ever be visited by the police while i am shooting, i have this information at hand and it can be readily cross referenced by them with little fuss, no need to confiscate my rifle because i have not done anything wrong. There is no legal requirement for me to inform the police when i go shooting and i never will unles i have to. Ian. I'm not debating the law, i'm well aware of the ins and outs of the Law, i was merely saying that it "could" save you hassle if shooting over a place with Public access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Silent kill, I have written permission slips for all my shooting ground and carry them with me at all times when i am shooting, together with a copy of my FAC, BASC mambership and Insurance policy number, i would advocate this to everyone. I have never gone shooting without them, i have even turned around and gone back home from 20 miles away after realising i had forgotten my documents. If i should ever be visited by the police while i am shooting, i have this information at hand and it can be readily cross referenced by them with little fuss, no need to confiscate my rifle because i have not done anything wrong. There is no legal requirement for me to inform the police when i go shooting and i never will unles i have to. Ian. not a chance...if id have gone that far i wouldnt have bothered! chance is slim of having a plod question you..they're more interested in someone driving round town with loud music and breathalysing anyone that passes them. If they would stop you, tell them docs are at home and they are welcome to come with you to see them and have a cuppa the same time. during the drive, they can check your plates and name and address against their system. and then confirm what you say when you get home... all advice given to me from my FEO...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 not a chance...if id have gone that far i wouldnt have bothered! chance is slim of having a plod question you..they're more interested in someone driving round town with loud music and breathalysing anyone that passes them. If they would stop you, tell them docs are at home and they are welcome to come with you to see them and have a cuppa the same time. during the drive, they can check your plates and name and address against their system. and then confirm what you say when you get home... all advice given to me from my FEO...! Jonesbach, You are of course correct, my main reason for getting written permission from my landowners and keeping it with me is so that if i do have a visit from the police i can show said permission slips and they wont need to ring the farmer up at 03.00 AM! Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 not a chance...if id have gone that far i wouldnt have bothered! chance is slim of having a plod question you..they're more interested in someone driving round town with loud music and breathalysing anyone that passes them. If they would stop you, tell them docs are at home and they are welcome to come with you to see them and have a cuppa the same time. during the drive, they can check your plates and name and address against their system. and then confirm what you say when you get home... all advice given to me from my FEO...! see i'd rather patrol the rurals, get to know those shooting the areas and those abusing them! :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesbach Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 see i'd rather patrol the rurals, get to know those shooting the areas and those abusing them! :yp: :hmm: so are you patrolling the rurals as a copper?! :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMungo Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I always carry my permission document, my SGC, and my BASC membership in my shooting bag. Id say that was best practice and saves a lot of time and hassle if you were approached by a member of the local constabulary. Personally, informing the local police will depend on where you are shooting...if it is near a built up area, then i can see the benefits, bearing in mind a Unique Reference Number is simply that, a reference...not a crime number! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 :hmm: so are you patrolling the rurals as a copper?! :yp: I know..... :yp: :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Missed Again Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 What on earth is all this bull about. If you are out shooting legally, you don't have to phone the police and I think you will find it's up to the police to prove you are doing something illegal. Innocent before proven guilty?? Let them come out with their armed response units and helicopters, and then when you've convince them how irresponsible it is wasting tax payers money, put an official complaint into the Chief Inspector ( and a copy to the local paper) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Missed Again Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 The fuss is all about shooters who are readily prepared to surrender information to the authorities, which they have no reason to be informed about. You are going about a legitimate pursuit which the law of the land has licensed you to do with out any intrusion, what you do within the confines of the law is your business and no one elses. Step outside those boundaries and thats a different matter. I have no intention and never will let the police know where i am going about my legitimate business unless required to do so by law. Ian. Nice one Ian I am 100% behind your views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I think we are getting a bit heated here. If you feel the need to do it, then do it. If you don't, don't. But do not blow it up out of all proportion. Some have had a problem others have not, it changes from area to area, lets just accept we are all different and that what makes the world go around, but more importantly, makes Pigeon Watch work for us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I'm not debating the law, i'm well aware of the ins and outs of the Law, i was merely saying that it "could" save you hassle if shooting over a place with Public access. I couldn't agree more. I know what I am doing is entirely legal and know also that the law doesn't say I have to let the old bill know when I'm out going about my legal shooting business. I call to let them know when I'm on land easily viewed by Joe Public to save time and aggro. At the very least, having half a dozen officers turning up to check reports of "a man with a gun in a field" interrupts the hunting flow somewhat and takes up valuable time. If you don't mind the swat team turning up and interrupting you if you're in a place that's likely to cause phone calls to the cops, then don't bother informing them. Simple really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Oddly enough i got a new golf course permission the other week, shot it for the first time the other night! (which was very productive!) but on the way back to my motor, i was approached by one of the residents (its a posh golf course with a private development of 4 houses, full of snobs), she was fine, asked what we were doing then flipped and said it wasnt right! usual rubbish! my daughter is a copper, i'm ringing the police! :blink: I offered her to see my permission from the course, she refused! so as a last resort i offered to show her my warrant card, she refused, so i gave up! just my pennys worth! What a daft woman! I wonder if she could be done for wasting police time, given the fact she refused to look at your written permission and warrant card? Really, some people! Did the police come out Silentkill? :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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