Bluebarrels Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Right chaps,im after a bit of advice im after buying a Hushpower ive sourced the guns but cannot deceide which to buy? Option 1, is a normal .410 pedretti folder(limited on range expensive carts) Option 2, is a 20g pedretti folder (more range,carts not so expensive) Option 3, is a 12g pedretti folder (carts reasonable price,good range) Quite fancy the 20g myself However if i decided to go for the 12g could i use a .410 adapter in it? if so this would be the ideal solution two guns so to speak for the price of one BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcw65 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 all have the same range,just more pellets in a 12 bore cart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 all have the same range,just more pellets in a 12 bore cart. Are u sure about that? i find that hard to believe convince me BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris64 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) I've had a baikel stealth .410 for 8months great fun and does the job,mate had a 12g hush power it was like swinging a peace of scafolding about,go the .410s. Edited January 23, 2011 by chris64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 The 20 is best by a country mile. I have a single and an O/U. I owned the .410 but the range was very limited. I never feel undergunned with the 20gauge Husher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 all have the same range,just more pellets in a 12 bore cart. No they don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 No they don't Thats what i thought is the 20g quiet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Gamebore make a subsonic ''Hushpower'' 20g cartridge, 30g #5s, got on pretty well with them (once I got used to the low speed)very quiet too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Thats what i thought is the 20g quiet? Its not as quiet as the .410 but is quiet enough to be able to use it where any normal shottie would be problematic. I had a situation in the autumn where another pigeon shooter set up about 100 yds from me and didn't realise I was shooting. He could hear 'something' but thought it was much much further away. As I've stated many times, I reload my own subsonics, it isn't hard or particularly dear and you get the very best out of the gun. I don't particularly rate the factory subsonics but have found that normal 20g carts are pretty good anyway to be honest if you want to use them. I recall people have found pretty much the same with standard .410 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 so does anyone know the barrel length on the 12g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I swapped my pedretti .410 for the 12 bore version,both modded It quiet (with eley subs) infact its a lot better than i expected with any cartridge. It sounds fairly loud when your shooting it but 20 or 30 yards away it sounds nothing like a 12 bore its much more muted than a standard 410. Unless your shooting alot of sitting targets forget the .410 and go for either of the others. My 12 swings like an o/u and it makes shooting birds on the wing or bolting rabbits much, much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Ive had both the 12 and 410 pedretti hushpower, got rid of the 12 and still have the 410, says it all, 410 alot more versatile and not like swinging a drainpipe, whereas the 12 was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duck duster Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 velocity is the same so range is the same,this does not mean effective killing at a longer range with a smaller gauge Gauge Shot Oz. Velocity fps. Drams Equivalent 10 - 3-1/2" 2 1210 4-1/4 10 - 3-1/2" 2-1/4 1210 4-1/2 12 - 2-3/4" 1 1180 2-3/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1 1290 3-1/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1145 2-3/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1200 3 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1255 3-1/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1300 3-1/2 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/4 1220 3-1/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/4 1330 3-3/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/2 1260 3-3/4 12 - 3" 1-3/8 1295 3-3/4 12 - 3" 1-5/8 1280 4 12 - 3" 1-7/8 1210 4 16 - 2-3/4" 1 1165 2-1/2 16 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1185 2-3/4 16 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1240 3 16 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1295 3-1/4 16 - 2-3/4" 1-1/4 1260 3-1/4 20 - 2-3/4" 7/8 1210 2-1/2 20 - 2-3/4" 1 1165 2-1/2 20 - 2-3/4" 1 1220 2-3/4 20 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1175 2-3/4 20 - 3" 1-3/16 1195 3-1/2 20 - 3" 1-1/4 1185 3 28 - 2-3/4" 3/4 1200 2 28 - 2-3/4" 3/4 1295 2-1/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I swapped my pedretti .410 for the 12 bore version,both modded It quiet (with eley subs) infact its a lot better than i expected with any cartridge. It sounds fairly loud when your shooting it but 20 or 30 yards away it sounds nothing like a 12 bore its much more muted than a standard 410. Unless your shooting alot of sitting targets forget the .410 and go for either of the others. My 12 swings like an o/u and it makes shooting birds on the wing or bolting rabbits much, much easier. Ive had both the 12 and 410 pedretti hushpower, got rid of the 12 and still have the 410, says it all, 410 alot more versatile and not like swinging a drainpipe, whereas the 12 was Well that goes to show, different strokes for different folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 velocity is the same so range is the same,this does not mean effective killing at a longer range with a smaller gauge Gauge Shot Oz. Velocity fps. Drams Equivalent 10 - 3-1/2" 2 1210 4-1/4 10 - 3-1/2" 2-1/4 1210 4-1/2 12 - 2-3/4" 1 1180 2-3/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1 1290 3-1/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1145 2-3/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1200 3 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1255 3-1/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1300 3-1/2 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/4 1220 3-1/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/4 1330 3-3/4 12 - 2-3/4" 1-1/2 1260 3-3/4 12 - 3" 1-3/8 1295 3-3/4 12 - 3" 1-5/8 1280 4 12 - 3" 1-7/8 1210 4 16 - 2-3/4" 1 1165 2-1/2 16 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1185 2-3/4 16 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1240 3 16 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1295 3-1/4 16 - 2-3/4" 1-1/4 1260 3-1/4 20 - 2-3/4" 7/8 1210 2-1/2 20 - 2-3/4" 1 1165 2-1/2 20 - 2-3/4" 1 1220 2-3/4 20 - 2-3/4" 1-1/8 1175 2-3/4 20 - 3" 1-3/16 1195 3-1/2 20 - 3" 1-1/4 1185 3 28 - 2-3/4" 3/4 1200 2 28 - 2-3/4" 3/4 1295 2-1/4 Range isn't the same because you need to have a viable pattern and the smaller shot count will fail before the larger one, unless you are happy just wounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcw65 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 We were discussing the range the pellets will travel from different gauges which is the same not the effective killing distance of each which will alter by shot size,choke and how good s shot you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 We were discussing the range the pellets will travel from different gauges which is the same not the effective killing distance of each which will alter by shot size,choke and how good s shot you are. But the range each pellet will travel is irrelevant because it takes more than one, especially at range, to kill effectively. It's the pattern that matters with scatterguns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcw65 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 so your saying a 24grm load through a 12 bore is more effective than a 24grm load through a 28 bore because the 12 is a bigger gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 so your saying a 24grm load through a 12 bore is more effective than a 24grm load through a 28 bore because the 12 is a bigger gun Don't be silly, try reading the posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 A quote from fourten.org, from the horses mouth so to speak. 12 bores are usually patterened by shooting at a pattern plate 40yds from the muzzle and then drawing a 30" cicrce aroung the main part of the shot. A pellet count is taken and the general pattern reviewed for holes through which a target may escape. A .410 shot pattern is unlikely to survive much beyond 25yds to 30 yds and thus it is more usual to pattern at 25yds and draw a 20" circle around the pattern. Usually a .410 pattern starts narrower than a 12 bore pattern (naturally, as a 12 bore is aprox 0.729 inches, minus a few thou choke) but opens out quickly due to the large proportion of pellets in contact with the bore. Many .410s are 'full choked' to try to hold the pattern together but the pattern fails, as mentioned, beyond about 25 yds. Though remember, the pellets still have plenty of energy and can wound (live targets) or chip (clay targets) well beyond this range. Okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 forget all this dram equvalent and 3.5" malarkey. its just marketing hype. dram equivale buy a 12g because 12g shells are cheaper, and as effective as a 20g. why have the hassle of buying hush power 20g cartridges? unless you have a 20g already. as for the cartridge selection. make you own. i`ve done several posts. you can load them with 6 for roosted pigeon, or a good belt of #4 for ground game. i think the main skill here is using the right cartridge, gun and skills at the right time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 - and another thing, a number 6 from a subsonic cartridge and a number 6 from a pigeon load are completely different. the subsonic is down 1/4 the speed. so compensate for this. why shoot poor cartridges at game? i dont really care what you guys think. bigger shotsizes at slow speeds are always going to be better than small pellets at slow speed. i know "pattern before penetration" but at the standard ranges things are shot at, changing to a #4 isnt going to be a disadvantage. just because there is a "6" on the box doesnt mean its suitable for everything. cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I use a 12g Pedretti Hushpower frequently AND have tried it with a .410 gauge adapter . The pattern with a 2 1/2 in .410 cartridge is ok out to about 20 yards only putting 4/5 holes in a playing card size target . Strangely it is much less quiet than with a proper .410 Hushpower . I had my 12g Pedretti bored out to 1/2 choke and it is a very useful and quiet gun . Hushpower once told me the 20g was quietest due to the relative moderator size to the bore but it is difficult to imagine anything quieter than the .410 with 2 in cartridges . Takes a bit of getting used to in that the sight picture is completely different due to the mod being where the rib should be . Just taking mine out now as the school is about 500 yards away from the fields I shoot . I like the 12 as you can pop in a BB if you need to . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Well I have both 410 and 20 bore Hushpowers and the 410 is alot quieter and that is comparing a 20 bore Investarm to a BA 410 with a 9 inch Mod on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 all have the same range,just more pellets in a 12 bore cart. Effective killing pattern restricts range but yes I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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