Richie10 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 My view is that far too many people own dogs with no arrangements to excersise them on private land, instead they expect others to put up with the dogs running after game etc and crapping everywhere. Dog ownership should be licensed with checks on where people are going to exercise their dogs. I think you should be removed from this country and relocated to North Korea where you can put your selfish infantile rules in practise. In your line of though we should take land ownership and split it equally between the people, then you wouldn't have to worry about where people exercise their dogs. What was the point of fighting for our freedom in the world wars when you have idiots like this trying to restrict them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 If the farmers land is so bloody private and the miserable old goat doesn't want anyone or anything straying onto it why deosn't he fence it off? I am sure there will be some kind of subsidy for that, the same as taking out hedgerows only to replant them later. If a farmer shot my dog because it was on the wrong side of a line he would need a very good Harley street surgeon to remove said gun from one of his many, or possibly new orifices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 If the farmers land is so bloody private and the miserable old goat doesn't want anyone or anything straying onto it why deosn't he fence it off? I am sure there will be some kind of subsidy for that, the same as taking out hedgerows only to replant them later. If a farmer shot my dog because it was on the wrong side of a line he would need a very good Harley street surgeon to remove said gun from one of his many, or possibly new orifices. Snap, my dog is off the lead most of the time on footpaths but under control. Obviously views differ and I could be pretty ****** with the general public as I spend half the summer retrieving dogs from release woods on our bit and ####ing owners. Never felt the need to shoot one yet, felt like shooting the owner but thats as far as its gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) There are always two sides to every story, I have had problems with dog walkers who cannot control their animals when using footpaths. Dogs chasing deer through the woods when I'm in my highseat, dogs running through the decoys while pigeon shooting, for safety reasons these dogs should be on leads. There are areas to walk dogs and let them run about but footpaths across private land ,you and the dog should be on the path regardless. I now put up a sign warning of shooting in progress by the nearest footpath when in the highseat but this just seems to bring more attention. The dog owners when challenged can get very aggressive and I have to remain calm due to having a rifle with me, it just takes one spitefull phone call from the walkers mobile to the police. Landowners and shooters alike get constantly maddened by pig headed ramblers who believe the countryside is theirs, farmers are trying to make aliving. As for the farm labourers behaviour, he should exercise restraint but he might have been aggrevated before, and if he stops burning what hes been told to then his boss could give him a hard time. Farmers can only now burn their own green waste within reason, nothing else, no plastic( and they certainly mess up the countryside with all that black plastic),no fence panels, not even an old treated fence post. Have a chat with the farmer about the lads behaviour,give his name to the police or roll around in the mud with him but don't moan about the situation. My dogs run around the woods and fields carrying out their work tracking deer or picking up shot birds and generally having a really good time and I have written consent for them to do so, maybe you should do the same. Edited February 18, 2011 by Redgum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_T Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 What right have your dogs to run around on private land ? Even if you are walking on a footpath, can you keep your dogs on it without a leash ? You are supposed to keep your dogs under control at all times and if you are involved in any dispute over the matter, I think you will find that only by being on a leash will they be considered as being under control. Check it out with your local Police. Dogs can get sufficient exercise on a leash, you just may have to walk them further. I agree with you. Why don't dog walkers stick to public footpaths? I have enough trouble watching out for incoming pigeons from my hide without having to look left and right for dog walkers trespassing on private property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Maybe you shouldn't be shooting if you find it difficult seeing the whole picture. Just because someone shouldn't be there doesn't mean to say they won't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Maybe you shouldn't be shooting if you find it difficult seeing the whole picture. Just because someone shouldn't be there doesn't mean to say they won't be. Not really sure if we are following the same topic MC, you have just pointed out the obvious, go and have a read of the original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_T Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Maybe you shouldn't be shooting if you find it difficult seeing the whole picture. Just because someone shouldn't be there doesn't mean to say they won't be. If you read my post you'll see there is no difficulty, it's having to deal with the issue of trespassers as well. Perhaps dog walkers should stick to public footpaths and realise that trespassing may well put themselves at risk especially if they hear a loud noise that could either be a gas gun or a shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0850 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) There are always two sides to every story, I have had problems with dog walkers who cannot control their animals when using footpaths. Dogs chasing deer through the woods when I'm in my highseat, dogs running through the decoys while pigeon shooting, for safety reasons these dogs should be on leads. There are areas to walk dogs and let them run about but footpaths across private land ,you and the dog should be on the path regardless. I now put up a sign warning of shooting in progress by the nearest footpath when in the highseat but this just seems to bring more attention. The dog owners when challenged can get very aggressive and I have to remain calm due to having a rifle with me, it just takes one spitefull phone call from the walkers mobile to the police. Landowners and shooters alike get constantly maddened by pig headed ramblers who believe the countryside is theirs, farmers are trying to make aliving. As for the farm labourers behaviour, he should exercise restraint but he might have been aggrevated before, and if he stops burning what hes been told to then his boss could give him a hard time. Farmers can only now burn their own green waste within reason, nothing else, no plastic( and they certainly mess up the countryside with all that black plastic),no fence panels, not even an old treated fence post. Have a chat with the farmer about the lads behaviour,give his name to the police or roll around in the mud with him but don't moan about the situation. My dogs run around the woods and fields carrying out their work tracking deer or picking up shot birds and generally having a really good time and I have written consent for them to do so, maybe you should do the same. Well considered response... I generally don't mind too much if walker (with or without dogs) are respectful and don't take the lend...however having a dog off the lead in my stock or leaving gates open when they were closed is unacceptable... I think there are rights / wrongs and difference of opinions on all sides but running off to the plod because the farm hand is an infant who likes handbags at ten paces will only further aggravate the situation!!! Edited February 18, 2011 by ben0850 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Daft as it may seem but I think the Scots have it right with their right to roam. You can go just about anywhere you like with or without dog so long as you are going from A to C via B, it does have some advantages for shooters, especially wildfowlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Why don't shooters learn to live with other people? When shooting near footpaths we stop shooting to let people pass. We don't threaten to shoot their dogs or tear them off a strip, it's called respect. One of the old stalkers I go out with always used to say the good thing about dog walkers is that they move the deer from cover during the day when most times they would be sat up and impossible to find. You lot are far too negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Why don't shooters learn to live with other people? When shooting near footpaths we stop shooting to let people pass. We don't threaten to shoot their dogs or tear them off a strip, it's called respect. One of the old stalkers I go out with always used to say the good thing about dog walkers is that they move the deer from cover during the day when most times they would be sat up and impossible to find. You lot are far too negative. Crikey,people do get on their soap box's don't they, does you olde Stalker mate drink alot of the old malt stuff, ludicrous. :o :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Why don't shooters learn to live with other people? When shooting near footpaths we stop shooting to let people pass. We don't threaten to shoot their dogs or tear them off a strip, it's called respect. One of the old stalkers I go out with always used to say the good thing about dog walkers is that they move the deer from cover during the day when most times they would be sat up and impossible to find. You lot are far too negative. A land owner with respect do me a favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Crikey,people do get on their soap box's don't they, does you olde Stalker mate drink alot of the old malt stuff, ludicrous. :o :o No but he is well know in the deer stalking world and internationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 so what does he think to out of control dogs mauling young deer? As thats what tends to happen when they "move" deer about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 so what does he think to out of control dogs mauling young deer? As thats what tends to happen when they "move" deer about. Alex, I think we all know that no respecting stalker would advocate domestic dogs running madly through woodland to move deer out, the deer don't just amble out and graze peacefully in the margins while the dog quietly returns to the owner. The deer just keep running, mostly into wire or ditches and get very distressed. Now driven boar and deer on the continent is an entirely differant subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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