jamie g Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 i found well fac does give you that bit more killing distance. i found i just liked it as it gave much more stopping power at normal air rifle ranges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I'll try and be a bit more thorough with my response this time. Fabulous - that's all that was needed...! (still don't think its wise posting that you've killed anything with a 4ftlb pistol but that's up to you to justify ) You clearly know your bacon and that's good - It was all getting a bit 'Airgun BBS' for a minute and there are very good reasons I no longer have anything to do with that place. I didn't want to draw a line in the sand but have seen too many of the experienced 'idiots' (as you refer to them) quoting rubbish as facts. Now you have clarified those points it is patently obvious that you and I think far closer than your first posts alluded to. So now we are settled, no hard feelings..? Feel free to PM me and I'll happily buy you a beer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabs Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 No hard feelings at all Burpster Good to discuss with you mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Fabulous - that's all that was needed...! (still don't think its wise posting that you've killed anything with a 4ftlb pistol but that's up to you to justify ) Nice to know you guys get in now! 2 fpe 'at target' is all that is requied to switch off a buny if youy= have an accurate cranial shot - twixt ear and eye. If high fpe is the target (compared to airpowered tools) then get a .22lr - same requirements of application as FAC air, but easier to achieve 100- 180 fpe using hollow points and massive energy transfer and clean kills at acceptable hunting ranges. I'll humanely shoot bunnies out to 90 or 100 yards with my rimmie, as far as 45 yards with my recoilless pcp so I see no need for a fac air rifle. Just my opinion of course! if mega fpe power is what is sought, then the sensible answer does not lie with air power. Cheers Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Nice to know you guys get in now! 2 fpe 'at target' is all that is requied to switch off a buny if youy= have an accurate cranial shot - twixt ear and eye. If high fpe is the target (compared to airpowered tools) then get a .22lr - same requirements of application as FAC air, but easier to achieve 100- 180 fpe using hollow points and massive energy transfer and clean kills at acceptable hunting ranges. I'll humanely shoot bunnies out to 90 or 100 yards with my rimmie, as far as 45 yards with my recoilless pcp so I see no need for a fac air rifle. Just my opinion of course! if mega fpe power is what is sought, then the sensible answer does not lie with air power. Cheers Duncan I don't know where all these figures come from and I've not actually verified any, but I have heard 3ft lb does for bunny at the point of delivery! Bottom line is plenty of people deal with them with sub 12ft lb so the power must be much lower at 30-40-50 yards which people suggest they manage! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I don't know where all these figures come from and I've not actually verified any, but I have heard 3ft lb does for bunny at the point of delivery! Bottom line is plenty of people deal with them with sub 12ft lb so the power must be much lower at 30-40-50 yards which people suggest they manage! ATB! To be fair thats why I got twitchy at the begining of this thread - I have shot literally 1000s of rabbits, I agree some I have dropped instantly at 25yds with a non FAC airgun, but at the other end I have had to use three shotgun shells to kill one. I have culled wounded deer with a 20g shotgun and my .22-250, but I have also seen a Squirrel take 4 shotgun shells to kill. Animals are not paper targets and do not conform to theoretical models. In the real world with real shots, you do well to cull rabbits cleanly with .22rf subs. They are hardy little ******* and the only gaurantee one hit kill is a priest at the base of the skull. All the above quotes are I'm sure possible, as was the 175m rabbit with subs from my Finnfire. But should they be refered to as the norm? and should they be quoted as fact without proof when they are contrary to BASC guidleines? Well I for one am not entirely comfortable with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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