TJ91 Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Does anybody know if any cartridge manufacturers make non toxic shot cartridges for 10 bore?? looking at tungsten, bismuth etc NOT steel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 think tmx is your best bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted February 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 think tmx is your best bet. do you know of any shops that stock it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 TJ, most shop bought 10 bore non toxic shells are extremely expensive. Steel can be had for about a pound a bang and does the job alright. Otherwise its a case of buying reloading equipment, the very least you need will be an RTO. Hevi shot will kill geese way higher than you should shoot at them if you can put the pattern on the target, and if you can get hold of any Hevi shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted February 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) Steel is a no no, tight choked gun so must be something softer. I have just had alook on claygame website and they do this.. 'CGR POWER SHOT' sounds good..will it be safe in an older gun with tight chokes? I arent bothered about shooting them at extreme ranges if i can find something suitable in a shop i dont mind the cost Edited February 23, 2011 by TJ91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 hevishot is an alloy of tungsten, as it is an alloy it has a hardness of 220, compared to steel 110 and lead ~13 (thats high antimony lead). i`m not disputing hevishots effectiveness. its good. but its ***** in` hard. tmx, niceshot, ecotungsten, or one of the softer matrixes would be better than steel. way more expensive too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 If you don't mind paying for them, and can find a stockist............ http://www.hevishot.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=12&Itemid=73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 does eley still make 10b cartridges in bismuth? i know they did a couple of years ago i seen a load in a shop, other than that its remmington steels, if its a old english gun i would make sure the wad fits down the barrel regardless what people say they can be very tight, your best bet is homeloads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 John Forsey had some Eley 10B cartridges in Bismuth the other week when I was in there. I don't know how much they were as he said that I didn't want to know. I bought a box of Remington Hi Speed Steel for £18.99 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 John Forsey had some Eley 10B cartridges in Bismuth the other week when I was in there. I don't know how much they were as he said that I didn't want to know. I bought a box of Remington Hi Speed Steel for £18.99 though. I dont fancy puttign that througha tight choked older gun I have emailed forsey to see if he has anything available and for a price...i have prepared myself for a ridiculous price, i know it will be. I think i might have to reload, but dont want to have to shell out loads for a machine and equipment to do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Does the hevishot hit too hard? Where's tmx compared to itx/itm,(although all I know about the 3 is they are non toxic). Not wishing to 'steel' the thread I also have a 10 so interested in the original topic. Personally I think i will load some lead for when I can shoot it inland-it's hard to beat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Does the hevishot hit too hard? Where's tmx compared to itx/itm,(although all I know about the 3 is they are non toxic). Not wishing to 'steel' the thread I also have a 10 so interested in the original topic. Personally I think i will load some lead for when I can shoot it inland-it's hard to beat! i will only use it on the foreshore, and not very often. I have no clue what the difference is between tmx and itx nothings ever simple. I have heard many good things about hevi-shot, it seems it killing abilities are very very good, but i have also hear dit shouldnt be fired through tight chokes as it is so hard i am thinking along the lines of tmx/itm/itx but dont know what i need for reloading if anybody can help me in the way of what tools i need to reload and where i can get them please PM me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I have heard many good things about hevi-shot, it seems it killing abilities are very very good, but i have also hear dit shouldnt be fired through tight chokes as it is so hard i am thinking along the lines of tmx/itm/itx but dont know what i need for reloading if anybody can help me in the way of what tools i need to reload and where i can get them please PM me I'm in the same boat as you The only plus point of mine is that it is 1/4 choke. You could maybe look at opening yours up? I would also really appreciate Any advice on equipment or recipes or good books if you fancy posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) I'm in the same boat as you The only plus point of mine is that it is 1/4 choke. You could maybe look at opening yours up? I would also really appreciate Any advice on equipment or recipes or good books if you fancy posting I dont want to spend loads as it wont be used much. Any ideas how much it would cost to get it opened up? I dont have a clue of any recipes yet, hoping someone can help me out.I am wanting to reload the cheapest possible way, dont really fancy churning out £200 for one of them new fangled machine things. Dont have a clue what i need though! Edited February 24, 2011 by TJ91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 itx -iron tungsten matrix tmx -tungsten matrix niceshot - tin + tungsten matrix heavyshot - tungsten alloy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 if you guys are local, (or you put your location in the "location" section of your profile) <------- haverhill suffolk if you are local then i could take you through the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 itx -iron tungsten matrix tmx -tungsten matrix niceshot - tin + tungsten matrix heavyshot - tungsten alloy. Thanks what is the maximum choke they should each be put through?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 if you guys are local, (or you put your location in the "location" section of your profile) <------- haverhill suffolk if you are local then i could take you through the process. my location is filled in. i am near York, North yorkshire not local :( Thanks very much for the offer though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 shame, - generally i`ll help anyone, as there are some missconceptions about reloading. i`d like to get people started on the right path. anyone can make great ammo. i`ve done you tube vids for guys to see, check out youtube "shotshell reloading" "roll turn hulls" etc, (for some general ones.) i usually put up specific videos to sort out stuff, then delete them. i`d rather not have video`s of me reloading on the net. i dont want to reload with a paperbag on my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Its a good time of the year to start at least you have some time to get some basic tools and gear together. i dropped lucky on here with a full set of 8 bore gear off pigeon watch for 100 pounds, basic tools from clay and game for 10bore would cost you around £150 thats a rto, recappa decappa and resizer, then the rest could be expensive, i did buy some good powder scales rcbs digital powder scales, BPI products in the states is good for 10bore hulls as well, im no expert but ive had a lot of advice off older generations on loading for big guns and its helped me loads.I would start out loading a lead recipe and get the roll turn looking right and get into the swing of weighing the powder and shot out, then load your expensive non toxic up when you have gained a few skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Its a good time of the year to start at least you have some time to get some basic tools and gear together. i dropped lucky on here with a full set of 8 bore gear off pigeon watch for 100 pounds, basic tools from clay and game for 10bore would cost you around £150 thats a rto, recappa decappa and resizer, then the rest could be expensive, i did buy some good powder scales rcbs digital powder scales, BPI products in the states is good for 10bore hulls as well, im no expert but ive had a lot of advice off older generations on loading for big guns and its helped me loads.I would start out loading a lead recipe and get the roll turn looking right and get into the swing of weighing the powder and shot out, then load your expensive non toxic up when you have gained a few skills. manufacturing shotgun shells is just compiling components together, there is no "working up loads". if you can load lead, then you can load anything. my first shells that i reloaded were actually steel. experience isnt needed to follow load data, but being helped / shown /advised is the best 1st hand experience. good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 if you guys are local, (or you put your location in the "location" section of your profile) <------- haverhill suffolk if you are local then i could take you through the process. I'm in N/E Scotland but thanks very much for the offer How much would it likely cost me to reload a heavy lead load for geese? Say no. 3 shot? I'm trying to get my head round everything before I start buying all the gear I assume I'll get my money back on the equipment if I buy second hand and sell on. ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby b Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I had a box of Remington wingmaster hd i put through the old matador and was very good but at £43.50 for ten it's very very expensive. But now i have the auto i use Remington hi-speed steel it's only £25 for 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus69 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 TJ I had my 10 opened up from ful/full to 1/4 and a 1/2 for using steel by W.Richards at Pocklington £35 per barrel Chris is a great fella and they get any work I can't handle. I have uggins of recipes for the 10 in lead,steel,bismuth,and tungsten,.I'm not a gazillion miles from you and have a mec steelmaster and hand loading tools for the 10 and I'd be happy to show you how to go on. Just out of interest what 10 have you got did you end up getting that greylag you were interested in?,if so the chokes'll open up and you'll be able to use steel without having to worry. Mike... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 You are talking big bucks for 10 bore non toxic other than steel. Perhaps the answer would be to have the choke reduced ( cost about £30-40.00 for a 12 and no reason why it should be more for a 10 bore )Which is the cost of less than a couple of boxes of 10 bore steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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