Gobfish Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Been out on the Bunnies in the dark, to a place where I can't use FAC, I discovered that my old Deben Tracer with the plastic clip that clips directly onto the scope tube, fits (at a push) onto the knurled magazine nut of my old Browning auto 5 12b......... hangs under the barrel, sights centre beam and rock steady........ my father bought that gun before I was born I've used it for as long as I can remember ....and now I find out, been slapping my forehead constantly since I discovered it, in fairness I've only had the Deben 20 years or thereabouts......... now all I have to find is something thats routes the ejected cases into my pocket and I've won! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave 101 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) Sounds like a good idea , have you tried it out yet ? Just thought the recoil might knock it off though . I tried something similar many years ago using pipe clips but it didnt work . Dave Edited March 17, 2011 by Dave 101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobfish Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Sounds like a good idea , have you tried it out yet ? Just thought the recoil might knock it of though . Itried something similar many years ago using pipe clips but it didnt work . Dave Tried it last night, only fired a few rounds but there was no movement whatsoever, only problem I had was that as it was a trial I hadn't stuck any velcro on the foreend, so I was fiddling about with the switch loose in one hand. The clip is very tight on the nut and you have to sort of roll it on with some force, not sure how long it will put up with this but I'm willing to find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 one of those little net bags that go in the washing machine, can be velcro'd over ejection port to catch spent shells, reloading before its fully empty saves removing net bag all night, or until it gets full Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonstool Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) Does that "really" say I intend (did use!) using a shotgun in the dark ? :blink: Been out on the Bunnies in the dark, to a place where I can't use FAC, I discovered that my old Deben Tracer with the plastic clip that clips directly onto the scope tube, fits (at a push) onto the knurled magazine nut of my old Browning auto 5 12b......... Edited March 17, 2011 by pigeonstool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobfish Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Does that "really" say I intend (did use!) using a shotgun in the dark ? :blink: Don't really understand the question..... I've been using shotguns at night for about 40 years.... has this become a no no or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobfish Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 one of those little net bags that go in the washing machine, can be velcro'd over ejection port to catch spent shells, reloading before its fully empty saves removing net bag all night, or until it gets full Hmmm interesting thought....... my auto chucks cases about 5 yards so I'd be worried about them coming back and fouling the port, worth thinking about though............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 one of those little net bags that go in the washing machine, can be velcro'd over ejection port to catch spent shells, reloading before its fully empty saves removing net bag all night, or until it gets full A stocking might work well too - should hold more cases before needing emptying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobfish Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 A stocking might work well too - should hold more cases before needing emptying My Mrs is suspicious enough of me as it is.... I don't think I'd get away with using that as an excuse for having stockings in my pocket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 My Mrs is suspicious enough of me as it is.... I don't think I'd get away with using that as an excuse for having stockings in my pocket Well you nick one of hers obviously! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobfish Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Well you nick one of hers obviously! How obvious... ya see, thats why shes suspicious of me... it's the way my mind works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) How obvious... ya see, thats why shes suspicious of me... it's the way my mind works Guidance needed I think Mr Fish Edited March 17, 2011 by The Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 imagine explaining to plod why you have a shotgun and one leg off a pair of ladys tights in you possesion! if that aint going equiped i don't know what is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonstool Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 I was trying to ask the same question as Dave ... but a power cut zapped me question .. and I just did it again when power came back on so I did not see the next couple of postings so mine got out of place and mixed up I use a little green fishtank net to catch my empties, held on with stickyback velcro Don't really understand the question..... I've been using shotguns at night for about 40 years.... has this become a no no or something As an aside - it's worth shooters boning up on The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 before night shooting - it's quite a tricky thing to comply with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmshooter Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 iv just tryed reading the above act, and one i cant understand much of it, and most of it has had new acts brought in over the top of it, but no where does it say (that i can find) that you cant use a shotgun for lamping, it just states that, you need to be the land owner or to have the permision of the landowner to shoot ground game, which in the act is hares and rabbits.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonstool Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) I'm getting confused ?? I have NOT said anything about NOT shooting at night ! ! ! However - The landowner MUST have produced, and have given the shooter, a H & S Risk Assessment and instructions /conditions to be complied with in relation to NIGHT shooting on his land ! ! + WRITTEN permission related to night shooting + the other stuff you found ... Tricky stuff indeed to get your head around .... Took me ages to sort out with my 'permission' land .... iv just tryed reading the above act, and one i cant understand much of it, and most of it has had new acts brought in over the top of it, but no where does it say (that i can find) that you cant use a shotgun for lamping, it just states that, you need to be the land owner or to have the permision of the landowner to shoot ground game, which in the act is hares and rabbits.. Edited March 19, 2011 by pigeonstool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmshooter Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I'm getting confused ?? I have NOT said anything about NOT shooting at night ! ! ! However - The landowner MUST have produced, and have given the shooter, a H & S Risk Assessment and instructions /conditions to be complied with in relation to NIGHT shooting on his land ! ! + WRITTEN permission related to night shooting + the other stuff you found ... Tricky stuff indeed to get your head around .... Took me ages to sort out with my 'permission' land .... i didnt either??? i doubt you will find many landowners have done a risk assesment for there shooters that they have on there land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I'm getting confused ?? I have NOT said anything about NOT shooting at night ! ! ! However - The landowner MUST have produced, and have given the shooter, a H & S Risk Assessment and instructions /conditions to be complied with in relation to NIGHT shooting on his land ! ! + WRITTEN permission related to night shooting + the other stuff you found ... Tricky stuff indeed to get your head around .... Took me ages to sort out with my 'permission' land .... Where does it state that you must be given a H&S risk assesment, written permission new one to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonstool Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Glad I gave you the 'heads up' then - my pleasure Where does it state that you must be given a H&S risk assesment, written permission new one to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushjob Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Where does it state that you must be given a H&S risk assesment, written permission new one to me. Written permission is and has been in the legislation for years. The Ground Game Act 1880 (England, Wales and Scotland) This Act gives any occupier of land a concurrent right to kill or take ground game (rabbits and hares) on land where the shooting rights are held by someone else. This right is binding and cannot be given up by the occupier neither can it be removed by the holder of the shooting rights. The following restrictions apply to the occupier in the taking of ground game, unless the occupier himself holds the shooting rights: Section 1 of the Ground Game Act 1880 a. The occupier1 himself and one other person authorised by him, in writing, shall be the only persons entitled to kill ground game with firearms. b. An occupier can only authorise: 1. Members of his household resident on the land in his occupation, 2. Persons in his ordinary service on such land i.e. employees, and 3. Any one other person, bona fide employed by him for reward in the taking and destruction of ground game. c. Authorised persons (see above) must produce their written authority if requested to do so by any one else with the right to shoot ground game. If they are unable to provide the written authority then that person would not be an authorised person at that point in time. Night shooting of ground game The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 Schedule 7 clarifies the night shooting of ground game by the occupier of land as follows: England and Wales: The occupier and one other person authorised by him (see above) may use firearms to kill ground game at night provided the the land unless the occupier holds the shooting rights himself. Scotland: The owner of the shooting rights, or another person who holds the shooting rights, or an occupier who has written permission from the holder of the shooting rights may use a firearm to kill ground game at night. The occupier, with permission, may authorise one other person to kill ground game with a firearm. These conditions do not apply if an occupier holds the shooting rights himself. The H & S risk assessment I can see as being required due most of us being "employed" to take rabbits ( the keeping of the shot animals has been stated as being sufficient payment to satisfy the employment for reward aspect ) Does that make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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