foggy011983 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Ive recently applied for .308 variation and had the visit from my feo. When he turned up we chatted and answered all questions etc as usual, but at the end he said ok it will be granted as long as the land is cleared. Well i got a phone call from my feo about two weeks ago saying the land was cleared but to date still have not recieved my ticket back. I called the firearms office to make sure it wasnt lost in the post, and they informed me the ticket hadnt had a decision made and the feo was wrong to say it had been granted because he has no idea and its not his decision to make. It has kind of annoyed my as I thought great its certainly been granted and was in the process of putting a deposit on a rifle, but now ive found out it could still be turned down ive held off. Any one else had this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Hi foggy, I am sorry that you have been missinformed by your FEO, this is a big problem among FEO's. They do not have the authority to tell you what you can and cannot have but all to often they take it upon themselves to be the one who says yes or no. It really makes me angry when i read on various forums, "my FEO said i cant have..........!" The other big problem is the amount of shooters that take their FEO's word as gospel and dont take them to point, hence they get away with it. Shooters need to stand up to their FEO's and tell them when they are wrong, dont be afraid to rock the boat, whan you are right. I hope your office see sense and grant your 308, i cant see no reason for them not to if you have presented good reason and have cleared permission where you can use it. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foggy011983 Posted April 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) Hi foggy, I am sorry that you have been missinformed by your FEO, this is a big problem among FEO's. They do not have the authority to tell you what you can and cannot have but all to often they take it upon themselves to be the one who says yes or no. It really makes me angry when i read on various forums, "my FEO said i cant have..........!" The other big problem is the amount of shooters that take their FEO's word as gospel and dont take them to point, hence they get away with it. Shooters need to stand up to their FEO's and tell them when they are wrong, dont be afraid to rock the boat, whan you are right. I hope your office see sense and grant your 308, i cant see no reason for them not to if you have presented good reason and have cleared permission where you can use it. Ian. I really hope it does get granted. There are over 400 deer on my two permissions that really need culling. I have provided a name for a mentor and one permission is cleared for 308 use. I may take things further when i get the licence back but ill wait to find out a decision other wise I might shoot my self in the foot (pardon the pun). One other thing I dont quite understand (but ill look into it when the licence gets back) is how one of my permissions has been granted but my other one didnt. The one that didnt runs parrelel to the permission that has been granted and joins their boundry. It also has no foot paths the one that has been granted does. At the moment im just going to wait, wait and wait again as last thing i want to do is complain and give them reason not to grant it LOL Edited April 12, 2011 by foggy011983 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Foggy, is this your first C/F rifle application? Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy dog Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) I'm sort of in the same predicament with my .243. I had all my land passed for the caliber even though it had no deer on it to my knowledge any way. I will put in for at as stated by my FEO as he said he sees no reason why i shouldn't be granted it with the land i got. Though i aint taken this information to heart knowing the fact that he can only advise me to put in for the caliber, but the final decision ain't up too him to make. And i know in the long run an the worse case scenario i still could be turned down for it and will have to reaply for a .223 instead. So it wouldn't be, the be all an end all if it does go pear shaped. But i shouldn't imagin your FEO advising your to put in for that caliber if he knew in the long run that you had no chance of getting it any way. After all he would soon be repremanded by his superior if every body he advised, started ringing in an saying this certain FEO has told me i can have this and he told me i can have that. IMHO i think the FEOs role in the processing of Firearms forms is to make all the necessary checks to see if every thing is as should be. Then takes his findings to his superior and they have a chat over any given aplication. And if his superior is happy with what the FEO has checked out, based on what has been put in front of him, Then he alone makes the final make or break decision on who gets the rifle they want an who doesn't. I could be shot down in flames an told i am totally wrong. But i hope my critics goes lightly on my judgment lol. Good Luck anyway mate hope you have it in the end. DD DD Edited April 12, 2011 by deputy dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Spot on DD Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I really hope it does get granted. There are over 400 deer on my two permissions that really need culling. I have provided a name for a mentor and one permission is cleared for 308 use. I may take things further when i get the licence back but ill wait to find out a decision other wise I might shoot my self in the foot (pardon the pun). One other thing I dont quite understand (but ill look into it when the licence gets back) is how one of my permissions has been granted but my other one didnt. The one that didnt runs parrelel to the permission that has been granted and joins their boundry. It also has no foot paths the one that has been granted does. At the moment im just going to wait, wait and wait again as last thing i want to do is complain and give them reason not to grant it LOL [/quote Re granting the clearances; simples! The chap had the map up-side-down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foggy011983 Posted April 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Foggy, is this your first C/F rifle application? Ian. Yes this is my first CF application. I'm sort of in the same predicament with my .243. I had all my land passed for the caliber even though it had no deer on it to my knowledge any way. I will put in for at as stated by my FEO as he said he sees no reason why i shouldn't be granted it with the land i got. Though i aint taken this information to heart knowing the fact that he can only advise me to put in for the caliber, but the final decision ain't up too him to make. And i know in the long run an the worse case scenario i still could be turned down for it and will have to reaply for a .223 instead. So it wouldn't be, the be all an end all if it does go pear shaped. But i shouldn't imagin your FEO advising your to put in for that caliber if he knew in the long run that you had no chance of getting it any way. After all he would soon be repremanded by his superior if every body he advised, started ringing in an saying this certain FEO has told me i can have this and he told me i can have that. IMHO i think the FEOs role in the processing of Firearms forms is to make all the necessary checks to see if every thing is as should be. Then takes his findings to his superior and they have a chat over any given aplication. And if his superior is happy with what the FEO has checked out, based on what has been put in front of him, Then he alone makes the final make or break decision on who gets the rifle they want an who doesn't. I could be shot down in flames an told i am totally wrong. But i hope my critics goes lightly on my judgment lol. Good Luck anyway mate hope you have it in the end. DD DD Cheers so do i lol Re granting the clearances; simples! The chap had the map up-side-down. LOL the annoying part is the land i have not been granted is the land where most the deer are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Yes this is my first CF application. There in may lie your problem my friend, you licensing office wont want to grant you a 308 as your first C/F rifle they will prefer you to get something smaller and less dangerous :yp: (not my words), hence they are dragging their feet. Dont let them push you, you have given them the name of a mentor, you have cleared permission and the deer you have on your permission is a good reason. If they do push it and are adamant, dont except anything less then a 243, which as you know is the minimum calibre for deer in this country Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascal_2005 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Sorry to hijack the thread lads but heres one for you... I currently hold a SGC and if i had land cleard upto .243, had a mentor and the permission for deer but it waas my first fac application and i applyed for .243 then go t turned down. Would u be in my rights and worth it to argue the toss with the FEO?? cheers John Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) Sorry to hijack the thread lads but heres one for you... I currently hold a SGC and if i had land cleard upto .243, had a mentor and the permission for deer but it waas my first fac application and i applyed for .243 then go t turned down. Would u be in my rights and worth it to argue the toss with the FEO?? cheers John Boy Yes you have a valid case and fit all criteria needee to be granted a 243 "BUT NOT YOUR FEO" the argument needs to be taken up with the licensing office manager. They have to have good reason to turn you down, inexperience is not one. Ian. Edited April 12, 2011 by Vermincinerator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foggy011983 Posted April 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 There in may lie your problem my friend, you licensing office wont want to grant you a 308 as your first C/F rifle they will prefer you to get something smaller and less dangerous :yp: (not my words), hence they are dragging their feet. Dont let them push you, you have given them the name of a mentor, you have cleared permission and the deer you have on your permission is a good reason. If they do push it and are adamant, dont except anything less then a 243, which as you know is the minimum calibre for deer in this country Ian. I dont want to open a can of worms but like you said 243 is a minimum and to me im not really happy using 243 for the larger deer i have. Plus the other thing i want to use the rifle for is organised wild boar shoots. Its like getting a game for your pc and running minimum requirements. Doesnt work great but enables you to play roughly. I did think about .270 although i would have thought the 308 would be seen as a better caliber by the police because of the bullet drop. None of my shots are going to be over 300 yards so the 270 didnt seem worth while. So basically i chose the 308 for faster bullet drop, more knock down power, covers the quarry i want to shoot and wider range of ammo suited to what quarry your shooting. Still they have not said no yet so ill have to wait. Just annoys me the feo tells you one thing then later on you find out its a load of bull lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Time to contact BASC imo and if necessary do your DSC1 (good idea to get booked on one if not already) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen20 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 precisely why i dont bother with the feo's no more they are a joke, the information they give you is just utter **** and they try and twist your arm to sway you away from the big things and applying for certain things. or you cant have that on first application, its all just to try and save them work and to try and restrict what we need to have. which is why when i do a variation now i just fill in all the relevent forms and submitt them to my firearms department and wait to hear from them. i recently sent in my license for a variation to my license i asked for a .22-250 to be used as a dedicated night vision set up for foxes ive already got a .223 and had that on my license for around 6 months and shot around 200 rounds or more. and its been 3 weeks now so i guess i will be waiting a lot longer while they scratch their worthless Balls over my application only to come up with some way of refusing me lol. Good luck anyway. and as if its not hard enough to find permission cleared up to .308 and with the farmer wanting you to shoot the deer. but noooooooo firearms department just like to make things DIFFICULT!!!!!! sorry i tend to waffle. they just frustrate me so much.!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foggy011983 Posted April 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Time to contact BASC imo and if necessary do your DSC1 (good idea to get booked on one if not already) i am planning on a dsc1 i told the feo that i will be completing one before i go deer stalking unless im with my mentor. He is ex navi and has over 15 years experience in 308 excluding his military experience. Ive been online and looked at the course and i think it will be quite fun. Im with the basc so if it gets refused ill speak to them then. Bowen totaly agree and it made me chuckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Bowen, My FEO has never been my first point of contact concerning licensing in the 27 years i have been shooting, all correspondance has been direct to the licensing office. If they want to send out the FEO thats up to them. I used to do a lot of one for one variations and only once did they send out the FEO and i questioned why he had come out when there was no need. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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