Frenchieboy Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 I want to put a new scope on my 17HMR and I am now seriously thinking about a Walther 3-9X56! I was looking at the possibility of using a Laser King but I think it might be just a bit "gimicky" for what I want. The rifle is used mainly for rabbits, mainly on the lamp, and I find that the current scope that the paralax adjustable 4-16X50 SMK scope I have on it although being very reliable is a bit of a pain when out lamping as I have to keep adjusting it (For varying distances) so I want one that is fixed paralax to save all the fiddling about! I have read all the bumph on the Walther scopes and according to that it will do all I ask of it, but is this just sales talk? Does anyone use a Walther Scope and if so can they tell me if they are a reasonable scope for the money please? I know that they will not compare with the much more expensive scopes and you get what you pay for, but I have a restriction on my shooting budget - It's called "The Wife"! Any thoughts or advice on Walther Scopes (Particularly the 3-9X56 model) please gents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borejimbo Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 I had one on my .22 pete, good clear scopes and well worth the money, I would by again! Think mine was about 60 quid and came with free mounts and a lifetime guarantee! Can't go wrong woth that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 (edited) I had one on my .22 pete, good clear scopes and well worth the money, I would by again! Think mine was about 60 quid and came with free mounts and a lifetime guarantee! Can't go wrong woth that. Thanks for that mate, it's what I was half hoping to hear. The one that I am looking at is on fleabay from generalsporting @ £67.48 and includes the mounts with free postage. As you say, certainly cheap enough and the life times guarantee has to be worth taking into consideration as well! The only thing that I might be a bit wary of is the mounts as they might well be the cheap single screw type and I prefer to use the double screw mounts, but that would not be the end of the world as they are cheap enough to replace anyway! Edited April 15, 2011 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 i've had a few over the years on air rifles - good cheap and well built (if a little heavy) - i'm not sure i'd put one on a .17HMR though, as the ranges are much greater than air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 i've had a few over the years on air rifles - good cheap and well built (if a little heavy) - i'm not sure i'd put one on a .17HMR though, as the ranges are much greater than air OK Nick, not faulting you, just questioning so I don't end up with something unsuitable and wasting my money. I rarely shoot the HMR beyond about 100-120 yards - less when out on the lamp. Are you saying that these scopes are not really suitable for those sort of ranges and if so could you help me out by explaining why please mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 they're not great under a lamp and at longer ranges as the quality of the glass isn't brilliant. as far as budget .17hmr scopes go, i'd look at a the Nikko Sterling Platinum Nighteater range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 I hear what you are saying Nick but I am trying to move over to a Fixed Paralax rather than adjustable paralax scopes for my lamping with the HMR! Any thoughts mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 i bought one 2nd hand for my 22lr. 3-9x40 IR £40 works a treat. well made and perfectly fine for any rimfire. my only comment would be the design of the housing. it has a screwed on Objective housing that leaves slight gap. probably sealed furthe rin but I always have concerns if it is ******* down. but then I dont tend to go out lamping if it ******* down anyway!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 why do you have to keep adjusting paralax? have to say mine are all adjustable and just left set at 100 yards. Ok I could adjust them but in normal shooting its too much faffing about. Personally I wouldn't swap to a cheap non adjustable scope, what is important is clarity so personally if you only want 9 mag I would just save up and eventually put a decent second hand 8x56 on it. As NB says the Nikko sterlings are good value but do close you out fairly early at dusk its about 20 mins earlier than my foxing scope which is a fair bit but fine as soon as you turn the lamp on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 In answer to your question Al4x - What I (And many other shooters I suspect) tend to find when out lamping is that the first bunny might be at let's say 30 yards, so I set the front paralax to that to get a clear image on around 8 or 9 times magnification, that's all well and good. However, you can bet your bottom dollar that the next bunny will show itself at around 80 or 90 yards, this leaves the image fairly blurred as it is out of focus with the scope set for the previous 30 yards mark. By the time I have played about adjusted the scope to around 80 yards to get a clear image the bunny has quite likely high tailed it to it's burrow. If I had a fixed paralax scope the chances are this I would be able to gat a (Hopefully) sucessful shot at both of these rabbits without any pfaffing about adjusting the paralax on the scopes! With that in midn hopefully you will understand what I am getting at even though my wording might not be quite correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 so this fixed parallax scope you are going to buy frenchie, does it have no parallax that needs adjusting for or do they set it at a set distance If its the latter thats exactly the same as leaving it alone and not adjusting. The problem you are having is probably more to the scope quality and manufacture than the fact its adjustable. 30 yards is a close shot but I can assure you with either of my scopes fixed at 100 you could take them and the same out to at least 200 yards with both. The problem you have is scopes at the very cheap end can be more susceptible to parallax errors which is possibly why you are finding it such an issue at the moment. The other issue is putting an essentially fixed parallax air gun scope on a rimfire you may find the parallax is optimized for something silly like 30 yards I know it sounds like you've made your mind up what you want but it will just go full circle and you'll work out the problems and buy another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 slight addition frenchie, get yourself on here and buy the bushnell scope quick, bargain and will do the job perfectly on an hmr http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/163580-clear-out-shooting-related/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 (edited) No, I haven't made a final or definite decision to get a fixed paralax scope yet! Maybe it would help if I tyr to explain the way my mind is working so that members who are trying to advise will get a better picture. On my 17HMR I have a front paralax adjustable scope which means that if the front lens is set at say 40 yards and I want to shoot at a target that is 100 yards out I need to adjust the front lens to get the target in a clear focus - However, I have a Sommons Pro-Hunter 3-10X44 on my .243 whach has a fixed paralax - With this scope it makes no difference if the target is just 40 yards out or 100 yards out, the target stays pretty well in focus (Not blurred)- I find this scope much easier to go lamping with and this is the way I see the difference between the adjustable front lens scopes and the fixed scopes! I fully realise that with my Simmons (Fixed PX) scope that where I have the rifle zeroed at 100 yards I have to allow a slight difference with the aim point if i want to shoot at either 40 yards or 200 yards to allow for the tradjectory and point of impact, but this is something that I can handle quite comfortably and easily now that I have had time to get used to the rifle and scope combination over different distances. Hopefully this has made my "concerns/thoughts" a little cleared as my choice of words isn't always the most understandable. I am more than willing to listen to and consider others thoughts and feeling on the matter and the choice of scopes that would suit me best. Edit: Just to add that I do have a spare Nikko Crown Gold 6X40 scope spare with the paralaz set at 100 yards that I have used with quite reasonable success on my HMR but I was ideally looking for slightly more magnification and a 50mm lens for lamping! Edited April 15, 2011 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Al4x is right about paralax adjusting on decent quality scope - you don't need to adjust it - all mine are set at 100 yards and left, i never play with them when out and about. That Bushnell does look good for what you want. Also they do a whole range of Nikko Steling Platinum Nighteaters... 12 x 50 4-16 x 50 8x56 6-24 x 56 6-24 x56AG 8-32 x60AG 10-50 x 60AG http://www.nikkostirling.com/Content/PlatinumNighteater/Nighteater.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 My understanding or parallax is that it has nothing to do with Focus... but more to do with perceived angle or position of the target in relation to you. I don't adjust any of my scopes either - they are left on 100 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 If that is the case Gary, and I'm not going to question it, it looks more like I have a focussing issue on the scopes that I am using! Hopefully now I have explained fairly understandably well where my concerns lie! I could easily put the 6X40 Crown Gold scopes back on the HMR but as I said I would like a little mare magnification and ideally a 50mm object lens for lamping with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 buy that bushnell before I do to put it on my hmr, they make far better scopes than the sort of thing you're looking at, plenty of magnification and you really will be able to leave it set at 100 and shoot pretty much whatever you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 (edited) What is your max spend? I'm prepared to do a deal on this one I have knocking about the gun room... It will sure be better than the Walther Edited April 15, 2011 by garyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 (edited) Gary, would it not be better to just say that you personally don't rate Walther scopes rather than to try unsucessfully to be humerous with your whiticisms? Up until now this thread had some pretty informative and constructive responses! Edited April 15, 2011 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Hi Frenchieboy I had a Walther 4-12x50 on a FAC air rifle and have retired it. My sample was one of the worst for optical quality of any scope that I have ever had, except perhaps for a cheap Chinese 6-24 Tasco 'copy'. The Sidewinder 30 that it was replaced with is miles better and every Nikko that I have had is better as well. It's a 'one sample trial' I'm afraid but I'm far from impressed with Walther. But then, it was inexpensive and yet usable. Think my lad is now using it on one of his air soft guns. HTHs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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