sidney Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 i was wondering if anyone could help me with an id, i was left a gun and i cannot find a manufacturing name on it, also the original licence had 'unknown' written on it , here is a picture of the unerside of the barrels, the only clue could be WH stamped into it, anyway cheers in advanve for any help.. Sid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 maybe wheirauch but i dont hink they made shotguns flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 (edited) W.H. Monk is the only one that comes to mind, cant even find anything related. Martin sorry found this one, no indication of stamping though, keep looking i guess http://www.hillrodandgun.com/archivepicture.php?id=52 Edited March 31, 2006 by the last engineer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 And by the looks of those barrels (unless it is just how the picture came out) I wouldn't want to pull the trigger on that gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 (edited) How about a few more pics to see what the WHOLE gun looks like and it may help with an ID WH & Co WH Baker and Co founded in 1877 WH Pollard & Sons I also found THIS if you wanna cross referrence the description against yours W.H. POLLARD 12 BORE SxS TOPLEVER HAMMERLESS SPORTING GUN Region: Antiques Price: $4,950.00 TP #2 W.H. POLLARD 12 BORE SxS TOPLEVER HAMMERLESS SPORTING GUN. SN 7645. Full bouquet & scroll engraved boxlock receiver with phesants & game birds on both side panels & with setter pointing phesants on bottom of trigger guard. Automatic ejectors. 28" barrels marked: "W.H. POLLARD, 63 KING WILLIAM STREET, LONDON, EC" nitro proved for 3 tons pressure & so marked. Sleeved steel barrels with game rib choked full in both. Exquisite highly figured English Walnut semi-pistol grip stock with teardrop & fine diamond chequering on pistol grip, butt stock & matching splinter fore arm w/ Anson & Deeley finger release & ebony tip. CONDITION: FINE TO EXTRA FINE. THIS IS A HIGH QUALITY LONDON BEST GAME GUN FOR THE FIELD, TRAP OR SPORTING CLAYS! Also W. H. BARRACLOUGH J. SEGALAS, GUNMAKER, LONDON Notes and Queries 1907 s10-VIII: 251; doi:10.1093/nq/s10-VIII.196.251-b and W. H. QUARRELL JOSEPH FIREBUCK, GUNMAKER It COULD even be a WH Pape in which case they produced guns in Newcastle i beleive?? LG Edited March 31, 2006 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidney Posted March 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 cheers for the help so far, i dont intend to put any cartrages through it yet until it is checked, here is a couple more pics of it, cheers again sid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlin.45 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Cannot help with the ID but that is a nice looking SbS. I guess it is designed for 2 1/2" carts with the firing pin activated by the external hammers? Good Damascus barrels too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 There was a WH Tisdall of Birmingham gun makers too LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 With a little careful restoration, that could be a beautiful, and usable gun. Have a very careful look at the top rib and see if the name is on there. I doubt that the marks on the barrel are those of the maker, but are more likely to be a description of the steel; “Work Hardened” etc. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 I scanned google for some time and couldnt find a mark but did note that many barrels are marked by the Barrel manufacturer and not the gunmaker. Closest shotgun design to it I could find was WH Tinsdall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 (edited) I would SERIOUSLY look at getting it sent away for a PRO makeover (restoration) as it looks VERY nice as it is and in the right hands should come up looking a million dollars Make sure the barrels are done damascus style again and not blued though It would be a real shame to ruin the gun by blueing it What are the bores like inside? Clean or pitted? light pitting isn't too bad as they can be honed out but if they are seriously marked they will need sleeved and thats mega money. In the £1000 region Dents in the stock can be sorted too they normally use steam via a hot iron and wet cloth to bring the worst out. More details we want more details Oh and a few more piccies too please LG Edited March 31, 2006 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidney Posted March 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 (edited) first of all thank you all for your replys and help , the gun will be brought back to its former glory and used as it was left to me by my late grandfather and i wouldnt part with it, at worst cleaned up and not have any cartrages put through it if it is found unsafe and unrepairable. i am still staring at it trying to make out any markes that could lend a hand identifying it, if it helps the serial number is 3106. as for the barrels, well look at this picture.. Edited March 31, 2006 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenlander Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Thats a nice old gun ,that would clean up and look very nice,looking at the pits in the barrel I think its shooting days are over,but its nice to have as a memory of your grandfarther,and as a piece of shotgun history. All the best Mick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenlander Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Just a thought ,if you get a chance to go to one of the BASC roadshows,take it along with you,as they usualy have someone who can tell you about old guns , I took one of mine too one ,and Bill Harriman of BASC and antiques roadshow, had a look at it for me ,and very interesting it was to. Mick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 (edited) All is not lost on the barrels as you CAN have them repaired but as i stated earlier this would most likely require re-sleeved It's a pricey job and i dont think the Honing would get the pitting out it looks like it has quite a hold there It all depends on what you wanna do with it. Personally i think it would be nice to get old guns like this back to a working state but it's gonna cost a fair bit The Sleeving as stated is around the £1000 as i have looked into it previously The Damascus will work out around £100 to £200 dep where you take it?? It's a real shame it got to be in the sorry state it's in now Have a look about on the internet and see if there are any resotrers who can take it onboard for you and look for a nicer price on the work Hope you eventually manage to bring this old girl back to her glory days. Is there no one on the forum can carry aout this work for a cut price for one of our OWN chaps? Can but try LG Edited March 31, 2006 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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