Dynamic85 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 On the referee form, question 4 states "Has applied for a firearm certificate in order to possess (insert type of firearm)." Do I just put FAC rifle, or list each calibre/mod? Also, I assume it's ok for me to fill in my details on part A of the reference forms? Can I just write my target club details through/across all the boxes for the intended place of use part in the firearms wanted table, or do I have to cram tiny writing into each? Are they fussy about how the form is filled in, or will they just ask you to confirm things on the visit if they are unsure? Thanks in Advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10WM Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Think I put Rimfire and Centrefire rifles. could be FAC rated air rifle? Hope that may help.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 (edited) Get your referee to complete it fully. So make them list your guns. It will come across that your referees know you well and are attentive to what guns you are hoping to get. Always best to watch over their should as they write, as it has happened to another PW member in the past where a referee has given a less than promising statement. Edited June 4, 2011 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic85 Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Get your referee to complete it fully. So make them list your guns. It will come across that your referees know you well and are attentive to what guns you are hoping to get. Always best to watch over their should as they write, as it has happened to another PW member in the past where a referee has given a less than promising statement. I assumed getting them to complete my details would give a better impression of their knowledge of me. However, I can't imagine one of my referees being believable as to having any form of interest or knowledge in the rifles I'd like to own, and in any form of interview of her, this would come across. Just wanted to get a couple of things straight, as I'm heading round tomorrow to drop forms off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Get your referee to complete it fully. So make them list your guns. It will come across that your referees know you well and are attentive to what guns you are hoping to get. Always best to watch over their should as they write, as it has happened to another PW member in the past where a referee has given a less than promising statement. I thought the forms were to be filled out in confidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 There is plenty of FACTUAL detail you can complete on the Referee forms, personally I believe it is a good idea you do, and make completion of the form as simple as possible for the referee. I am Secretary of a Home Office Approved rifle club and as such I do all the references for members, on top of which many other people come to me for a reference (and Mentoring) because of my shooting background, blank forms **** me off, just why do I have to write all their names and addresses etc on them, make life as easy as you can for the referee, after all you want him/her in a good mood whilst he/she is completing the form? Oh yes, and it may seem an obvious courtesy to most...but ASK them first, don't just send them a form, that has happened a couple of times to me. Also enclose a stamped addressed envelope for the referee to send off the form! It amazes me people EVER get a bad reference, why the hell would anyone go to someone as a referee, who they don't know will give them a good one? Would you request a personal work reference off your worst enemy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Get your referee to complete it fully. So make them list your guns. It will come across that your referees know you well and are attentive to what guns you are hoping to get. Always best to watch over their should as they write, as it has happened to another PW member in the past where a referee has given a less than promising statement. Good one Billy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 I thought the forms were to be filled out in confidence They are Coaching a referee is not really the best. I'm sure the form actually says they are signing to say the applicant has not influenced what has been written. It also states that they are for reference only, and will not ever be held accountable in the event of an incident. Just tell them what you're applying for, ie: rimfire and centre fire rifles. If you use a referee who shoots with you, they can put that down and refer to your safety etc.You can't get a good FAC reference for your first application(unless you have shot FAC with someone else), but experience with air guns and SGC will count. If you use a non-shooter, they can only give a character reference, witch is as important. The police are concerned about things like radical views,violent tempers and alcohol abuse just as much as your personal firearm knowledge. If your referee writes something that goes against your application, you have the wrong referee. Or the system is working and you shouldn't have FAC. After all is said and done, I've never heard of a referee being checked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 They are Coaching a referee is not really the best. I'm sure the form actually says they are signing to say the applicant has not influenced what has been written. It also states that they are for reference only, and will not ever be held accountable in the event of an incident. Just tell them what you're applying for, ie: rimfire and centre fire rifles. If you use a referee who shoots with you, they can put that down and refer to your safety etc.You can't get a good FAC reference for your first application(unless you have shot FAC with someone else), but experience with air guns and SGC will count. If you use a non-shooter, they can only give a character reference, witch is as important. The police are concerned about things like radical views,violent tempers and alcohol abuse just as much as your personal firearm knowledge. If your referee writes something that goes against your application, you have the wrong referee. Or the system is working and you shouldn't have FAC. After all is said and done, I've never heard of a referee being checked out. Referees are routinely PNC checked in my area and I have received calls from the police about references. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 They even phoned my referee up and asked him about filling in my form, apparently they telephoned and asked him "Were you under any form of duress when completing the form?" Had to laugh, he's my cousins husband and is a ruffty tuffty outdoors working farm engineer and built like a brick outhouse. And another of my referees was asked to clarify what they didn't know about my attitude to firearms.. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_s Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 i haven't got fac so not sure if it's different for sgc but when i had my police visit for sgc he went straight around to my referee's house after seeing me for a chat with him aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Sorry, but I couldn't give a toss if it says you can't see what they've written. What will they do; Arrest you for breaking an unwritten law? Refuse your licence based on no evidence? Last time I went to hand my application form, I gave it to the FLD, in hand. "Here's my application form and cheque, and here's my references." did they say anything? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Sorry, but I couldn't give a toss if it says you can't see what they've written. What will they do; Arrest you for breaking an unwritten law? Refuse your licence based on no evidence? As others have said here, they are checking referees. If they suspect your referees were influenced or the procedure hasn't been followed correctly,they could refuse to accept them and send you off to get others. As their names are on the application form, you would have to re-do the whole lot. It would also stay in your file forever. My last renewal the FLO came round with my file, and it was an eye opener to see how big it was and what was in it. The whole process takes so long that delivering the forms personally doesn't speed it up much. I would not encourage new applicants to deviate from the procedure based on your experience Explain what sort of info is needed and let them get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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