sixhills 69 Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Hi I have a female springer spaniel she is around 20 months old and doing well but she is not doing as she is told for instace on the stop whistle she runs back to me and sits or runs about like she is stupid. Sit and wait completely refuses once i sit her she will get up and follow me i have tried putting her back but she just wants to be no more that 4 foot from me. Direction she looks at me when i whistle and then just runs around sniffing and not listerning. I am pulling my hair out and do not know what i have done wrong. (the only link is she started after i had to have my Rotty put to sleep about three months ago) Any advice please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Too many things to consider. Sounds like a combination of you and the dog. I reckon you need someone to actually view you work the dog to properly assess it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) Agree with the above, you probably do need someone to look at her.. Although - it also sounds like you've trained her to ignore you. How is she in other aspects of training? If you give into them, you will forever have a problem - never give a command the dog can't comply with or your can't enforce. Don't repeat commands if she doesn't comply - What use is a dog that's been trained to sit on the 6th time of asking?... Tell her once, if she ignores you get after her and stick her bum on the ground. I'd cut down the distance to start with and work on the stop whistle almost at heal as a basic sit (with a whistle blast) as her bum hits the floor. Build it up to rewarding her sit (stop) with an instant tennis ball retrieve or something. I then go onto running with my dogs at heal, giving a stop where by I continue running! but your a way off this. Pickup a copy of the books "Training Spaniels" and "Gundog training for field and home" Sadly this probably should of been corrected very early on, but I don't think you've quite missed the boat either as most spaniels don't mature till their 2ish. Edited June 21, 2011 by garyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Sadly this probably should of been corrected very early on, but I don't think you've quite missed the boat either as most spaniels don't mature till their 2ish. gary, i agree with most of what you say but i believe you have made a serious typo in the last line.... should that not be 12ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Ha... Thank you for correcting me Mr Lab Owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Edit to say if you do go down the reward / retrieve route. Ensure that any ball / dummy is thrown behind you... So that you place yourself in between the dog and the ball - you don't want to train her to "run in" at this late stage Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Ha... Thank you for correcting me Mr Lab Owner :blink: got one of these too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 and the grey hairs to go with it presumably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) Agree with the above, you probably do need someone to look at her.. Although - it also sounds like you've trained her to ignore you. How is she in other aspects of training? If you give into them, you will forever have a problem - never give a command the dog can't comply with or your can't enforce. Don't repeat commands if she doesn't comply - What use is a dog that's been trained to sit on the 6th time of asking?... Tell her once, if she ignores you get after her and stick her bum on the ground. I'd cut down the distance to start with and work on the stop whistle almost at heal as a basic sit (with a whistle blast) as her bum hits the floor. Build it up to rewarding her sit (stop) with an instant tennis ball retrieve or something. I then go onto running with my dogs at heal, giving a stop where by I continue running! but your a way off this. Pickup a copy of the books "Training Spaniels" and "Gundog training for field and home" Sadly this probably should of been corrected very early on, but I don't think you've quite missed the boat either as most spaniels don't mature till their 2ish. Thanks Doing the stop whistle whilst on the lead and she is perfect do it at curbs before crossing the road, sorry i can not run as Disabled thanks for the other tips about throwing the ball behind me. Would just like to say she can work when it suits her other times she just wants to play and play and do what she wants. I Re-homed her at nearly one so most of our time has been makeing that friendship and i feel that is why she will not stay and wait as she thinks i am leaving her. I haveno intention of working her on a shoot i want her more as a shooting companion. But I still want her to listern for saftey if nothing else. Edited June 21, 2011 by sixhills 69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 shes only 20 months mate , dont worry , just go back a few steps , basics like sit stay , try this , get another person to watch her as you walk away . if she moves they can quicky instill the sit command before she gets her backside off the ground or you could use a long line looped round a post , give command sit/hup walk backwards away from her , if she moves give a gently tug and command sit , it pulls her back into place and works as your 3rd eye . my youngest ( 17 months ) as started doing the same thing , turn my head and walk away and she shuffles , turn back and shes stock still , clever bu&&ers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) My little Springer started crawling towards me on the stop whistle......at distance she was ok but if I blew it while she was, say, 5-10 yards away (or nearer) she'd start doing this submissive belly crawling, I was getting annoyed with her which obviously wasn't helping, in fact it wasn't helping at all I used a long 10 metre lead (x2) and put it over the bottom bar of a gate and back towards me at our training field, then called her in/blew the stop whistle and if she didn't stop straight away i'd stand on the lead which brought her up almost instantly, it worked more or less straight away In hindsight I think she was being a bit overawed when in close as she's 'A typical' for a submissive Springer in as much as they sometimes don't need too much encouragement to roll over and pee themselves, I didn't use any voice commands with the leads either......just the pips/pip. Edited June 21, 2011 by ziplex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Thanks for the advice i will try all of them like i said she stops on the whistle whe she is within 5 to 10ft of me but i have a 10meter tracking rope a friend in the police dog section gave me when i first got her i will double it up to start with and try both methods. thanks again i understand it is harder to expain what the problem is than if you see it but the submissive crawling back to my side is spot on. Thanks Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Thanks for the advice i will try all of them like i said she stops on the whistle whe she is within 5 to 10ft of me but i have a 10meter tracking rope a friend in the police dog section gave me when i first got her i will double it up to start with and try both methods. thanks again i understand it is harder to expain what the problem is than if you see it but the submissive crawling back to my side is spot on. Thanks Nigel Good luck, it's certainly worth a go with Roobs it was if if she understood straight away what I was trying to get into her head and the problem stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 There is a lot of good advice there. For all of their quirks don’t spaniels get to you? I’ve had two and they’ve been the most difficult and the most rewarding. It just gets to me when they stop and stare straight into you as if saying “come on dad, Which way do you want me to go”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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