Woodypk Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Hey guys, I'm in the process of getting my FAC and I'm interested in what guns people own and what they think about them. If you can be bothered (for my sake if you please), please post up the names (and possible pics if you have them) of 3-5 of your fave guns and what you love about them and or what they lack. I really need some ideas about great guns for general rabbit and the ocasional fox shooting and target shooting. I am also generaly interested what types of guns people own too as I think they are great to look at. So look forward to seeing peoples arms (bullet ones not limbs... :blink: ). ATB, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I'd say that it's always good to look at the workhorse firearms, such as the CZ and Brno in the .22LR and HMR flavour - both of which I own/have owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypk Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Yeah, I like the look of the CZ 452. I think its a nice looking gun. I would for some strange reason, love to have a 17HMR, .22lr and .22 hornet along with a .243 and a .308. My club owner has suggested 5 guns and they are the ones I want... I could swap the .22 horner for a 12g though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sm0kah Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I have 2 .22 lr one is anshutz and other is Remington 10/22 custom made numerous match additives and volquartzen barrell. Shotgun wise is a Remington 1187 special purpose. Also have a .357 marlin lever action all my favs lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypk Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Sounds good. What would be better for rabbit shooting .17HMR or .22LR. Is either more likely to have the land cleared to shoot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sm0kah Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 All depends on personal preference mate I have had no experience with 17. And as for getting land passed all depend on feo and the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypk Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Any experiance of how long it takes for getting land cleared to shoot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) Took a lad out shooting on Thursday night and it reminded me why I love my .22LR so much. After a couple of shots from his HM2 we swapped to the LR as the crack was so loud the local farm would have easily been able to hear the shots and subsequently kept them up Edited September 5, 2011 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 CZ452 16" heavy barrel varmint .22LR. I spent ages researching and I am so pleased with it! Accurate and bombproof. Only other contender for me was anchuntz carbine but looking back it couldn't be more accurate than my cz and was much more expensive (not worth it, but was tempted at the time). Plenty swear by ruger 10/22 but I don't like idea of semi auto for safety reasons, as well as reliability! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Sounds good. What would be better for rabbit shooting .17HMR or .22LR. Is either more likely to have the land cleared to shoot? .22LR is quieter (like air rifle) but can be prone to ricochets, .17HMR is louder but due to ballistic tips almost no ricochets. Swings and roundabouts really. I think .22 rounds are cheaper. Speak to FLO before you apply they may give some helpful guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 My first was a .22LR CZ452 16" Silhouette, along the way I came across a S/H AirArms S400Xtra, then another CZ452 Silhouette, this time a 20" HMR, then a Browning A-Bolt in .243 I've been through a lot of scopes but finally have ones that I am totally happy with... which aren't the ones in this pic of the two CZ's I wouldn't swap any of them now, they all work really well. Nice triggers, good consistency (they don't miss, I do!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypk Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Wow colster, Them guns look amazing. I wouldn't mind one of those puppies. What kind of price range are you looking at for rifles in that condition on the models in the picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Wow colster, Them guns look amazing. I wouldn't mind one of those puppies. What kind of price range are you looking at for rifles in that condition on the models in the picture? I paid £340 for LR and £360 for the HMR (both new), the 16" is usually more but I bought the LR a couple of years ago when prices were cheaper. As a more up to date indication of price, a mate of mine bought a 16" CZ452 American in HMR at the weekend for £373 A SAK for each should get you change from £70, scope rings don't need to be anything special. I think they are both Sportsmatch on mine and scopes... well that's a whole other minefield. I have a Zieler on the HMR and a Leupold FX-III on the LR and wouldn't change either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypk Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) wow thats the brand new prices? I payed more than that for just my s410 and filling pump ect... I think I'll get two. What do you use each for and what is SAK? ATB, Tom. Edited September 5, 2011 by Woodypk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 wow thats the brand new prices? I payed more than that for just my s410 and filling pump ect... I think I'll get two. What do you use each for and what is SAK? ATB, Tom. Yes, those were the prices new, PCP are a different ball park price wise. I saw an ad on the BBS for a FAC Rapid where the guy wanted £800! I paid £275 for the S400Xtra second hand, then another £100 for the bottle but it's been a great gun and very handy for pigeons and squirrels. The rimfires are pretty much primarily used for rabbits (although the HMR has laid claim to a fox too), the SAK is the moderator you can see on the end of both of them. Cheap, cheerful and effective, personally I've never seen any point in spending more on something that might only slightly reduce the noise any further. The LR is quieter than the FAC Air and the HMR is never going to be that quiet as the bullet goes supersonic... the rabbits don't seem bothered anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypk Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 The guy sounds very wise. I really would like a nice scope but I would like a nice rifle too. I'll save up and see what I can get. I have see a £320 Hawke sidewinder which looks cool. I like the look of the large objective lenses. Makes the gun look beefy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Woody, do you want your outfit to look good or be an effective tool? Or both? It seems you are more interested in what the gun/scope looks like than it's effectiveness. That doesn't sit well with me tbh! A gun (air or FAC) is NOT a toy. I would be surprised if an FEO granted you a license if ,when he asked you if you had an idea of what you want, you told him you want an x gun with a big scope 'coz it looks beefy'. Might I suggest you hang fire (excuse pun) on the FAC for now and get into airgunning at a local club, learn some field craft and get a permission of a few acres to bunny bash, then when you are a competent shot with an airgun, have some bunny bashing experience, go out with one of the pw fac holders near you to learn more about rimfires, ranges, dangers etc and then look into getting an fac. Sorry if I sound condescending/harsh but an inexperienced shooter with an airgun is one thing but an inexperienced shooter with a rimfire constitutes a potential disaster (which is why you may have difficulty getting an fac). Perhaps some pw members will disagree with what I have said but this is my opinion. Please do not think I am having a go. I hope you take up the sport, get some good experience with airguns, enjoy shooting and move to fac when you are ready. If you are in cambs region I would be happy to help as I am sure would most pw members! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvid wings Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 (edited) i agree with chr15j, woodypk you don't sound at all ready for a fac ,,i actualt think this is some sort of wind up ,have never heard anybody say a particular gun looks "COOL" we all use different words to describe things but something ain't quite right hear . Edited September 6, 2011 by corvid wings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypk Posted September 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Shooting is more than just having the right tool for the job. And no, Corvid, it isn't a wind up. And how can people consider paying £1000's for weapons they don't need? A £200 rifle will outshoot most people like colster mentioned, so why do people spend £1000's on a rifle alone when a £200 according to colster is ample? And to colster, When did I mention that guns were toys? I wouldn't be a full member at my shooting club if I though guns were toys. To some more than others, and I'm not including myself in this quote, shooting is a status symbol. When you asked do I want an effective tool and for it to look good, the answer is yes. So stop judging and concentrate on what the important thing is - shooting whatever you have to shoot at the time. If you don't like the nature of the conversation, don't converse. I'm not moaning but the views I experience are totally of my own opinion and If I want my kit to look good and work aswel, then thats my own buisness. If I can get 1/2 groupings at 50 yards (which I can), with my s410 air rifle hawke scope, when you can do it with a super expensive rifle and a Swar Z6i scope, then it doesn't matter about thinking whether I want my rifle to look cool. Like what has been mentioned, shooting equipment can out shoot most people. It depends on the shooter. And just to let you know, I do bunny bash. Guns don't kill people, Guns kill dinner. http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc223/woodypk/IMG_0510.jpg http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc223/woodypk/IMG_0512.jpg Yes it was mine, and yes I prepared it and cooked it. Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypk Posted September 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 ...And before you ask, I did get the Super lite s410 with the deluxe gloss stock because it looks cool... ATB, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanchief Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) Hi Ive been using a Cz452 .22lr Style now for many years, Diamond Mag 44 scope,barrel shortened to 15" then recrowned and rethreaded, Sandwell Field Sports custom moderator,trigger kit from Eric Brookes USA, first one sent to the UK and fitted by myself,Harris Swivel bipod of course,Deben Blue Eye beam lamp,accuracy is that which other rifle makers aspire to and,,,,, it's quieter than a Honda. http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb438/Clanchief1/100_0572.jpg http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb438/Clanchief1/100_0573.jpg Chiefy Edited September 7, 2011 by clanchief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) I have a cz american in .22 lr and mainly use subs - even so its a ricochet far too often. A friend has a .17 hmr, again cz, and that is surprisingly good and no ricochets. The disturbance from an hmr is a bit higher than .22 lr but the range and accuracy compensate a great deal. For foxing I have a remington 700 in laminate stock with a varmint barrel. I wouldn't swap it but I occassionally long for a lighter gun. One fine day I will buy a S&B scope in 5-20 with a 56 objective but my Deben 4-16x56 is a capable tool and rather more affordable. Half of shooting is getting to know your gun, as very many will shoot good groups out of the box. If I were starting again I would have the cz in .22 - for subs , an NMR (cz) and the remington with an S&B scope. Good gun and one of the best scopes. Good luck with your choice but keep your shooting safe Edited September 7, 2011 by Kes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) And to colster, When did I mention that guns were toys? I wouldn't be a full member at my shooting club if I though guns were toys. Never said you did Edited September 7, 2011 by Colster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Ok go and fire a good few rounds with a HMR expecting it not to ricochet and you might end up with problems. All guns ricochet and it should always be considered that it might. Yes i have shot a stack of HMR ammo in the field and it can and does ricochet! My opinion put down for FAC air and buy a second hand Rapid or air arms extra and no need to pay much over £350, there are more selling than those that want one or rather can legally buy one, if you want a safer gun. Your current 12ft lb gun might shoot 1/2" at 50 yds but placing the first shot on target while ranging with the eye and calling the wind then getting within 1/2" of point of aim is a lot different matter. A .22 FAC air running at roundabout 30 ft lb can do this all day long in the hands of a competant shot. Next gun .22RF, use it with subs and remember the moderators for both the above. put on the application for longer range use on Rabbits and higher energy levels for use on Hares, carion crows (on the ground) etc Buy a CZ 452 and put 1500 rounds through it before you even contemplate doing trigger jobs etc. They wear to fit and get sweeter with age If you want a long range vermin gun capable of more than the HMR and well capable of foxes (which myself and many others don't think the HMR is) Look at a .22 Hornet c/fire and moderator. Guess what buy that in a CZ also Now forget anything you thought you knew about scopes from air rifles. Buy the best quality glass you can afford think cheaper on the gun front if you have to. I am not talking gadjets and sideweels IR etc exactly as i say "glass" this means Meopta, s+bender, swavoski, leupold, etc. 6x mag will do fine or 8x if you team it with a big objective or a variable like a 3-9x 40. blah, blah to those who don't like a cool looking gun, like the ugliest dog you will never fully appriciate it as a whole unless you think it looks cool at work no matter how good it is at its job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 can't beat a cz-452 varmint (or any other cz for that matter) i love mine, extremely accurate reliable and a nice looking gun too. i wouldn't get fixated on a big scope or any particular scope for that matter just get out and look through as many as possible and see what you like. i've chopped and changed and settled with a nice little optimate 6x44 fixed scope and i hit a lot more with it now i'm not worrying about twiddling with parallax or magnification. as for the sound moderator i use a sako and again after a lot of chopping and changing i find this the best i've used but there are loads of people who love sak mods, with most of the usual suspectsthe difference is only marginal so just see what your local stocks and get that. i use a deben bi-pod on my cz and it does the job fine, harris bi-pods are better made but the price reflects it, i only use mine for zeroing and shoot off stick the rest of the time so it doesn't need to be amazing. i use my .22lr mainly for rabbit but also shoot crow, pigeon, squirrel when its safe to. here'e a couple of pictures, non of the scopes shown are my current one i think ones a bushnell 4-12x40 and the other is a hawke 3-9x50 map-pro. good luck with your application. atb gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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