TOM'S DAD Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 then go and murder 50+ in the fields now you sound like a anti. think before you post. LISTENING TO MYSELF, MARK, I THINK I'M STARTING TO SOUND LIKE AN ANTI BY TRYING TO EXPLAIN HOW BEAUTIFUL THESE CREATURES ARE ANYBODY WANT TO BUY ANY GUNS AND MAKE THAT 100+ IN THE FIELDS WITH ANY LUCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deako Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Having done more than my fair share of 'keepering, I've killed literally hundreds of foxes. And after every one, I've always felt a tinge of regret. One night on our shoot, I killed four half grown cubs from the same family with the .243, then went home and fed a fox in my garden with a rabbit and enjoyed every minute of watching him for the stunning creature and supreme survivor that he was. Respect for the quarry mate, its something you can't explain, but those who know...know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOM'S DAD Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 WE KNOW, WELL SAID DEAKO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 LISTENING TO MYSELF, MARK, I THINK I'M STARTING TO SOUND LIKE AN ANTI BY TRYING TO EXPLAIN HOW BEAUTIFUL THESE CREATURES ARE only to them that dont understand mate, every shooter on here will know exactly how you feel. trying to get it over to the less informed can be hard. but we have to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young airgunner Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 im not an anti, it was just the way toms dad put his post. il say no more ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 you dont have to kill something simply because its there. shooting them when they are causing a problem is fine but IMHO shooting a woodie in the back garden is no different to killing a blackbird or a robin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 il say no more we are not saying that, just think a bit more about what you post. if your not sure just ask. but think about how you ask. good luck with all you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOM'S DAD Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 im not an anti, it was just the way toms dad put his post. il say no more ok SORRY IF I CONFUSED YOUNG AIR GUNNER NONE OF US KNOW IT ALL, AND WE ALL NEVER STOP LEARNING I'M GLAD YOU ARE ASKING THE QUESTIONS YOU ARE ASKING AS IT PROVES YOU ARE INTERESTED AND WILLING TO LEARN, AND LONG MAY THAT CONTINUE YOUNG MAN you dont have to kill something simply because its there. shooting them when they are causing a problem is fine but IMHO shooting a woodie in the back garden is no different to killing a blackbird or a robin. UNLESS THERES A SMALL FLOCK EATING YOUR SPROUTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young airgunner Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 soz if ive annoyed you people with my posts. im new to air gunning and arent to sure off everything. thanks for informing me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOM'S DAD Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 soz if ive annoyed you people with my posts. im new to air gunning and arent to sure off everything. thanks for informing me IF THERE IS ANYTHING YOU EVER WANT TO KNOW, ALWAYS FEEL FREE TO ASK THERE IS SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE ON THIS FORUM AND I'M SURE YOU HAVEN'T ANNOYED ANYONE, YOU LEARN BY ASKING IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOUNG LADS LIKE YOURSELF (AND MY SON TOM) BECOMING INTERESTED IN SHOOTING/ HUNTING..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 we can all learn new tricks young gunner, and when toms dad learns where the caps lock key is he will turn it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOM'S DAD Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 we can all learn new tricks young gunner, and when toms dad learns where the caps lock key is he will turn it off. I CANT WRITE IN JOINED UP WRITING is this any better, Mark........sorry mark.....no, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 poor young air gunner, he is trying to learn and doing very well he must think he was being pick on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Well im not suprised with somments like that. When I started shooting, I didnt have the feeling like I was out to kill every last rabbit and squirrel. You see, pest control is only worth it if you kill a good number in a short time. If you just kill the odd pigeon in your garden, it wont do sod all to helping other animals fit. Which is what its all about. Shoot a fox to save your chickens, but you may enjoy feeding or watching some through the bino's in another location. Shooting sports is not a war against 'vermin', its about working with the 'vermin' to sustain a healthy country. To be honest, I even find the word 'vermin' disrespectful. I call the animals what they are. Im not shooting 'vermin', I shooting that animal. If you want to become a good hunter, especially if you are an airgunner, you really have to study your quarry and know how they act in nature, learn when they feed, when they sleep.. when they are hatching young ones. I have only ever shot 3 birds, 2 were pests in our home grounds, and the third was ill. Im not a big fan on hunting birds, as I looked after 2 birds myself for a while, and you begin to learn how interesting each species is. I think you must first truly study and learn about your quarry before shooting it. This way you will learn if you are the right person to be hunting it or not. You will be suprised, the more you learn about something, the more feelings you will have for it. But this can be good.. sometimes knowing more about your quarry will help you in the field. Today I took the Bino's out for a walk. Put me boots and fleece on, and off I went for some quality rabbit spotting. I enjoyed whatching them, learnt where some more of them now live, and was able to see if the tiddlers were ready to be.. Harvested. More then that, it was a nice feeling to be out and about, without the worry of being qeustioned with my guns in the forest by somone, or worrying about getting my guns wet and dirty in the drizzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerman Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 young airgunner, i shouldn't worry too much mate, you made a mistake and in my opinion some people have been a little harsh. if it were an adult making such a remark then certain comments would have been appropriate. however, taking your age and inexperience, (please don't take offence) into account i think it is more understandable. when you first enter shooting it can be quite exciting, but as has been said you must build up a respect for your quarry and appreciate the beauty of the animals we shoot. some comes with experience and some with age and like the other guys have said, if you're ever unsure just ask a more experienced shooter. All i can say mate is we all make mistakes and (hopefully) we all learn from them which is what you've done, so good luck to you. all the best, BM ps. with reference to your comment on how can you appreciate a pigeon in your garden then go and "cull" 50 birds in the field, this is the very difference between anti's and shooters in that that shooters can appreciate the beauty of nature and their quarry, but also recognise the neccessity to control populations such as pigeon, deer, rabbits etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOM'S DAD Posted May 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 with reference to your comment on how can you appreciate a pigeon in your garden then go and "cull" 50 birds in the field, this is the very difference between anti's and shooters in that that shooters can appreciate the beauty of nature and their quarry, but also recognise the neccessity to control populations such as pigeon, deer, rabbits etc. Well said Badgerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maori Haz Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Very well said Hunter, i couldn't agree more, when out birdwatching i often just watch animals such as rabbits, hares, sometimes foxes and even stoats. I don't get an urge to kill, i like watching them, they are all beautiful animals as Tom's Dad said, and there's no point in seeing an animal and wanting to kill it the whole time, you are controlling them to make the countryside healthier. Unfortunately i am ill today and have been spending lots of my time looking out the window and watching birds in my garden/surrounding area, if you stay for 10-15 mins you can see quite a lot, for example i would get out my binoculars and watch a pair of magpies build their nest near our house using twigs from our tree. However i am not preaching that these little bunnies should be left alone, i am just trying 2 suggest that we should respect these animals. Haz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young airgunner Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 sorry guys and i realise i may have been wrong in some of my comments. after taking your advice, i will be interested to now watch the birds in my garden and gain the pleasure of watching them, like many of you do. cheers james Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 with reference to your comment on how can you appreciate a pigeon in your garden then go and "cull" 50 birds in the field, this is the very difference between anti's and shooters in that that shooters can appreciate the beauty of nature and their quarry, but also recognise the neccessity to control populations such as pigeon, deer, rabbits etc. Well said Badgerman sounds like double standards to me. you cant one minute watch and think awh isnt that pigeon lovely and a beautiful bird and then go and shoot them dead you shoot them or u dont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerman Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 with reference to your comment on how can you appreciate a pigeon in your garden then go and "cull" 50 birds in the field, this is the very difference between anti's and shooters in that that shooters can appreciate the beauty of nature and their quarry, but also recognise the neccessity to control populations such as pigeon, deer, rabbits etc. Well said Badgerman sounds like double standards to me. you cant one minute watch and think awh isnt that pigeon lovely and a beautiful bird and then go and shoot them dead you shoot them or u dont it's a shame it sounds like double standards to you, cos it aint! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Well said Badgerman sounds like double standards to me. you cant one minute watch and think awh isnt that pigeon lovely and a beautiful bird and then go and shoot them dead you shoot them or u dont it's a shame it sounds like double standards to you, cos it aint! ok i used to be indecisive but now im not so sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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