shoot57 Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 my 232 bar dive cylinder is due for a test and as i am moving up to fac power i wondered if any of you other fac air rifle users fill using hand pumps, i would be interested to know how you find them compared to cylinder fill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I fill my standard air arms with a tank, then top up with my Hills pump, its VERY hard work getting from say 140, to 190 bar, each pump puts in less than 1 bar! :blink: Gets me right in the lower back, maybe I'm just getting older..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I fill mine off a cyclinder , pump takes to much time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I filled my s310 from empty today! Stripped it to replace the valve, thought I'd see how I got on: I stood with 1 foot on pump, and other leg straight out behind me....no back strain! Took me about 10 minutes with a few rests, from 0 - 190 bar, quite pleased with myself, not too difficult after all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrior Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Hello the main thing to consider is a dive tank is dry air, a hand pump will put damp air into your bottle and as the pressure rises dampness is forced out into your rifle. to combat this in a compressor there is a moisture trap and bleed valve. cheers...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 My pump has got an air filter thingy on the side, to stop the moisture getting in the pump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinbox99 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 I use a pump. Easy as pie. Each pump stroke tends to be the equivalent to each shot ive had. Only takes me literally a few minutes to pump up my s410. My mate on the other hand, his "hills" pump nearly kills me whenever I try to use it. I have to keep stopping and resting etc... So, I think it depends on the brand of pump as to how easy you find it to use. I think mines the FX3 3 stage pump if i remember rightly. Im no super fit bloke and also suffer from a bad back, but I manage fine with a pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Mines a Hills, the new one with the external moisture can on the side. Its just a single rate pump so you use less pumps than a 3 stage, takes a fair bit of effort to fill, but topping up from 140 to 190 is a 5 minute job, no bother now I've got the stance sorted ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spookytooth Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 @jacksdad I've just got a FX 4 Stage. You said to save backache you stick one leg straight out behind you, and one on the pump. Is the leg sticking out still on the ground or is it in the air? :blink: Seriously, that sounds a good idea - I'll have to give that a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastshooter Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 i use apump to fill both mine looked into adivers bottle but they still need filling as well plus you can put ur pump in the car and fill the gun up if required bit of a problem if you have a 12ltr bottle if you dnt mind spending 5mins filling your gun up go for a pump but if you want 30second fill but have to sort the bottle out for test and getting it refilled its reali up to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 No, both feet on the deck! Using any pump is hard work, due to the fact that you are pumping almost 3000 psi by hand. With both feet on the pump, you need to bend your lower back to get the action needed, hence the 'long stance' :blink: Its basically a karate stance, you can then push the handle with your arms and shoulders instead....great exercise instead of back breaking hard work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie uk Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Im new to the latest air weapons, but if you have a pcp rifle and fill it up with air, is every shot as powerful as the fist one ? before it needs filling again ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastshooter Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) yes there constent power you will get power drop depending on your gun after x amount of shots normaly i stick to around 30-40shots before i need a refill Edited December 2, 2011 by northeastshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deke Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I use a Hills Mk2 pump and have done for the past 3 years. Where I live (in SA for most of the year) the nearest dive shop where I could refill a cylinder is 150km so the cost of keeping a cylinder topped up with air would be high. If you are near to a dive shop it alters the economics, particularly if you can pick up a decent cylinder and charging gear second hand. Using a pump correctly is all about technique. I'm 60+, sturdy but not fit and my gun has a 250cc cylinder which I pump up to 200 bar. Check out the Pyramid Air website (Google search) which may still have a video to view demonstrating correct hand pump technique. The secret is to use your upper body muscles and weight and not to try to use tour biceps, like press ups in reverse. Push down on the pump handles until your arms are straight. Then brace your arms and wrists keeping them locked straight downwards. Let the pump handle press against your solar plexus and then push down with the force of your upper body. It's easier to do it than describe it. There are usually a few pumps coming up for sale on the 2ndhand market so it should be possible to get a good one fairly cheaply. Be careful not to buy one that has been used a great deal though; stripping the pump and replacing the seals is quite complicated. Hope this helps. Deke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I now only use a Charging Bottle not because I'm lazy but because it's easier!Sold my pump back a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieFarlie Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 I'm new to the sport. I bought a 9 litre tank with filling kit for My BSA R10.. Previous owner of the gun used an FX pump but admitted its extremely difficult to get above 200Bar.. The R10s sweet spot is 235Bar..... Top end pump FX 4 stage £170 plus post.. This kit in the link is what I bought http://www.bestfittings.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=579 This kit cost 250 quid posted to Mt door. It costs 5 quid to fill at the dive centre 800 yards from My front door. It will fill the BSA R10 11 times assuming the gun is completely empty which of course it never will be.. The choice as they say is Yours ... Charlie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) One thing to remember with carbon fibre tanks, once they have reached they end of life date they have to be scrapped. Could be worth a call to see what the end of life date is for the tanks they have in stock. Edit see post below for corrected details Edited December 16, 2011 by BerettaSV10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieFarlie Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 One thing to remember with carbon fibre tanks is that they can't be re-tested, once they have reached they end of life date they have to be scrapped. Could be worth a call to see what the end of life date is for the tanks they have in stock. They can be re tested and have to be every five Years.. 15 Year life span then scrap.... Charlie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Hello the main thing to consider is a dive tank is dry air, a hand pump will put damp air into your bottle and as the pressure rises dampness is forced out into your rifle. to combat this in a compressor there is a moisture trap and bleed valve. cheers...... Quite right.....good answer but will they listen?? TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) Any decent pump has a water trap and filter built in My Hills pump has a great big external cannister type filter on it, the Webley I'm selling has a similar setup built into the handle. Both are kept in my house, so not subjected to cold, damp air. I use both, tank and pump, depends on how energetic I feel when the rifle needs a top-up! Edited December 29, 2011 by jacksdad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) I'm looking for a FAC pcp at the minute,and considered getting a pump until I saw this...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJq0FhunmKI&feature=youtu.be Have a look about 2 minutes 30 in. Looks too much like hard work for me. Edited December 29, 2011 by the enigma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Don't be such a wimp! Its good exercise, and not too hard, plus in that vid he's filling a buddy bottle, which are huge :blink: I top up my rifles after each shoot, that way the pressure stays constant and doesn't break ya spine filling from empty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subbyc Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 great advice guys, thanks. I am in the market for an FAC pcp and am swithering between pump and cylinder. A cylinder refill for me is no problem as we have compressors for breathing apparatus at work but it almost seems a pain having to get a bottle tested every few years. Having said that, tuning a handwheel is far easier than pumping for 5 minutes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Don't be such a wimp! Its good exercise, and not too hard, plus in that vid he's filling a buddy bottle, which are huge :blink: I top up my rifles after each shoot, that way the pressure stays constant and doesn't break ya spine filling from empty I prefer to save that sort of exertion for Mrs.Enigma . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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