ciaran Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Can anyone tell me if the Beretta 390 Silver Mallard is steel proof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Would doubt it, the 390 I just sold was not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) All nitro proofed guns can use standard steel (not high performance) so long as the shot size is not larger than no.4 and 1/2 choke or less is used. 32g of any no.4 steel (hull steel game, gamebore game and wet steel etc) will be ok to use on duck for example. The 390/391 are not proofed for High performance steel. Edited January 6, 2012 by Wildfowler12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciaran Posted January 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 You would imagine that the 391 would would be steel proof would you not? It is a more up to date gun. Thanks for the replies anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saggy61 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) My 391 is steel proofed (acording to the dealer) with 1/2 choke or less. I use no4 3" Magnum with no probs. Edited January 6, 2012 by saggy61 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciaran Posted January 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 Yea thats something similar to what the gun dealer I know said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 Gents, just to clarify, the restriction on choke constriction applies to shot of 4mm in diameter,roughly BB, not no.4 shot size. They are rather complex and it might be worth having a look at the BASC website for more information on what the steel shot regs actually say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) I stand corrected I spoke to BASC about this a couple of weeks back, there advice was shot up to size no.4 should be used with 1/2 choke, size no.3 or larger should be used with a maximum of 1/4 choke, partly because the patterns are better at this choke restriction but mainly because of risk of damage to chokes. It states this on most High Performance steel cartridge boxes. (There are certain exceptions as some manufactures make super hardened chokes that can tolerate the larger shot sizes). Edited January 8, 2012 by Wildfowler12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 The 391 are not proofed for High performance steel. Apart from the Xtrema2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 Apart from the Xtrema2. I don't know about every model, but I know most of the older are only proof tested to 900bar. I asked GMK when I was considering an AL391 and they confirmed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 I don't know about every model, but I know most of the older are only proof tested to 900bar. I asked GMK when I was considering an AL391 and they confirmed it. I thought they all were untill I looked over a mates Urika and could not find the proof marks. Seems its just the Xtrema2 that was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 WWildfowler 12, Confusing ain`t it. I think what I`ve put is correct but it depends on the context. Have a read of the BASC Steel Shot Information sheet on their website and tell me if I`ve got it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 WWildfowler 12, Confusing ain`t it. I think what I`ve put is correct but it depends on the context. Have a read of the BASC Steel Shot Information sheet on their website and tell me if I`ve got it right. Yeah very confusing, It took me a good few weeks to get my head around it. The problem is that alot of the RFD's don't understand it properly either, and often tell people the wrong information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler12 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) From BASC: Standard Steel shot cannot be larger than 3.25mm i.e. English no.3, but can be used through any choke. There is no limit on shot size in High Performance Steel cartridges but if it is greater than 4.0mm (i.e. English BB or larger) then choke less than half should be used. Mudpatten: Looks like you're right! They reccomend that 1/2 choke or less is used due to pattern formation, but according to the above, any choke can be used if the shot is 4 or smaller. I will stick to 1/4 choke though, that's all I use in my benelli. Edited January 8, 2012 by Wildfowler12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Yeah very confusing, It took me a good few weeks to get my head around it. The problem is that alot of the RFD's don't understand it properly either, and often tell people the wrong information. Just to add to the pool of information, this is what the Gamebore website says.. 12G Game and Wetland SteelThe high velocity Game and Wetland Steel is suitable for use in standard 2 3/4" chambered guns in shot sizes 4 and 5 only. The larger size shot 3 should only be used in high performance steel shot proofed guns with barrels and chokes designed for steel loads. A couple of years ago I was sold a box of size 3 by an RFD (as being Ok for non steel proofed gun) and it had a leaflet inside the box with a similar statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 We live and learn....I've been shooting Gamebore Super Steel 3's through my 101's 1/4 and 1/2 chokes for some time now....great on mallard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul87 Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 With regards to the AL391 urika I bought it thinking it was steel proofed but I can't find the mark on the action or barrel. I have been putting lyvale max game steel 3" 36 gram number 3's and 4's through it without any problems. As I understood it these are a High Performance steel load. On further inspection the barrel says 950kg and the box states the shells should not be used in anything less than 1350 bar. And to make matters even more confusing all my chokes even the 3/4 and full have an 'SP' after them which as far as I was aware meant they were steel proof. So why is this? Surely the barrel should be able to cope with a 36 gram load of HP steel if it is Magnum proofed and can handle 57gram lead loads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciaran Posted January 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 The gun dealer who I bought it of said that theres no reason that it isn't steel proof, as the barrels are chrome lined!.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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