Elliot Brown Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 divers bottle wanted preferably 300 bar. thanks for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davrian Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 http://www.uk-eshop.co.uk/guncellar/default.asp?pr=GC Got mine from here! surface valve fitted as well so only needs test every 5 years! 300bar are like hens teeth second hand! Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Davrian I thought like you that bottles needed testing every 5 years, but when I took mine for a refill last week to a diving shop, I posed the question and he said (and showed me a chart to prove it), that any bottle filled with "AIR" that is for guns only requires 10 year testing only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Davrian I thought like you that bottles needed testing every 5 years, but when I took mine for a refill last week to a diving shop, I posed the question and he said (and showed me a chart to prove it), that any bottle filled with "AIR" that is for guns only requires 10 year testing only. Blimey, I thought it was every 2, as its a pressure vessel no matter what you use it for, the cert is to say its fit to contain pressure (and not explode) I have never seen one stamped up for 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davrian Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Davrian I thought like you that bottles needed testing every 5 years, but when I took mine for a refill last week to a diving shop, I posed the question and he said (and showed me a chart to prove it), that any bottle filled with "AIR" that is for guns only requires 10 year testing only. Well I have it on good authority that the difference between a "surface bottle" and a "diving bottle" is the valve and a bottle fitted with a "surface valve" need only be tested every five years! when I say good authority a couple of diving shops including the dive cellar I mentioned earlier where I bought the bottle and a place localy that actualy does the testing for the local shops, diving clubs / schools, and the fire brigade. I'm not saying I'm right, or your wrong, its just one of those areas of confusion that's hard to find clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 This is who I had my information from www.bristolchanneldiving.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Brown Posted June 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 I sopose at the end of the day it all goes down to the place you fill it and how often they want to test it. As there the ones who fill it u cant really argue well you could go sum where else. Also I would think the diving bottle comes under more pressure the deeper you go under the water so ther would be one reason for testing a diveing bottle more often that just a shooting bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Brown Posted June 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 still wanted !!! also wanted are spare magazines for a bsa super 10. thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunny_blaster Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 i got a 7ltr 300 bar tank if thats any good. pm me if ur interested. cheers ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftycarper Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 i got a 7ltr 300 bar tank if thats any good. pm me if ur interested. cheers ben just got my 7L 300bar bottle back, took it down for a refil first time since i've had it ( bought secondhand) and the guy said it ran out in 04. It Cost £26 for a test including refil, lasts a couple of years, surface bottle lasts 4 or 5 i think, no difference between shops its the law... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 I work in the gas cylinder business, we offer a cylinder filling service to airgunners, but we fill with Nitrogen, which is clean and dry, rather than air which may not be so clean and is wetish. Ive dug out the following and trust that it will be of some assistance. webber Diving Cylinders and cylinder valves Periodically the Health & Safety Executive issue testing stations with guidance notes and updates regarding changes to legislation. You probably already know that your cylinders are now subject to new legislation which took effect from 31 August 2002. However, there has been some confusion with the interpretation of these regulations both by cylinder owners and by testing stations. The following information has been extracted from the questions and answers brief OD4/4/1003/2003 issued to all members of the Diving Industry (IDEST) by M J Harwood HM Inspector and Health and Safety – Specialist Diving Inspector on 1 September 2003. Some of the Frequently Asked Questions have been answered as follows: Q: A1 When did the new standards come into force? A: A1 31 August 2002 Q: A2 When does the change of frequency for “periodic inspection and testâ€, and “periodic inspection†start? A: A2 From 31 August 2002, the intervals are: 2½ year “periodic inspection†[“periodic inspection†means external and internal visual inspection. Generally known as a “visual inspection†or “visualâ€]. And 5 year “periodic inspection and test†[“periodic inspection and test†means external and internal visual inspection and a number of tests, which will normally include a pressure test. Generally known as a “hydraulic test†or “hydroâ€.] The next test date will be when these periods are added to the last test date stamped on the cylinder for visual or visual and hydraulic test. 2.3 Some authorities interpreted the change of frequency to commence once the current period expired. Ie: if the date stamp marked at the time of examination was June 2000 then add 2 years and the next due date was June 2002, instead of adding 2.5 years and the next due date was December 2002. 2.4 HSE’s view is that the intervals between periodic inspections and tests from 31 August 2002 are 2.5 year “periodic inspection†and 5 year “periodic inspection and testâ€. The next test date will be when these periods are added to the last test date stamped on the cylinder for visual and hydraulic test. 2.5 However if the gas filling stations or cylinder test facilities are applying other criteria and these do not extend the date next due beyond HSE’s view it is a commercial matter for them and they are not in breach of health and safety legislation. Portland Oceaneering Ltd’s test facility has adopted the view of 2.3. That is, any cylinder tested before 31 August 2002 will be due for testing 2 years from that date. Any cylinder tested after 31 August will be due for testing 2.5 years from that date. To assist matters, a neck sticker would have been placed on the cylinder showing when the next test is due. Q: A6 How is it ensured that the correct next test date is used? A: A6 When conducting a “periodic inspection†only: Add 2 years 6 months to the date of the “periodic inspection†and note the date; Add 5 years to the date of the last “periodic inspection and test†and note the date; Use the date that becomes due first to label the cylinder. Background information A6 A6.1 Since not everyone has their cylinder “periodic inspection†exactly on the due date, when deciding the date when the next “periodic inspection and test†is due it should be based on the following procedure to avoid either the inspection or the test going out of date. A6.2 HSE recommends that when conducting a “periodic inspectionâ€: Add 2 years 6 months to the date of the “periodic inspection†and note the date; Add 5 years to the date of the last “periodic inspection and test†and note the date; Use the date that becomes due first to label the cylinder. A6.3 Examples (year/followed by month) a. “Periodic inspection†on time Date of “Periodic inspection†2003/07 + 2½ yrs = 2006/01 Date of last “Periodic inspection and test†2001/01 + 5 years = 2006/01 Neck sticker 2006/01 b. “Periodic inspection†on time Date of “Periodic inspection†2003/07 + 2.5 yrs = 2006/01 Date of last “Periodic inspection and test†2001/01 + 5 years = 2006/01 Neck sticker 2006/00 c. “Periodic inspection†1 month late Date of “Periodic inspection†2003/08 + 2.5 yrs = 2006/02 Date of last “Periodic inspection and test†2001/01 + 5 years = 2006/01 Neck sticker 2006/01 Q: A8 What are the new requirements for cylinder test facilities and when will they come into force? A: A8 All cylinder test facilities may need to be periodically inspected by a body appointed by HSE from 1 July 2005. Portland Oceaneering Ltd continues to ensure the continued safety of its customers and staff by complying with the standards as set out. Staff have undergone ASSET training, and we are working towards recognition as a competent testing facility. In order for us to achieve this status and meet any possible future requirements of the HSE we continue to invest heavily in our facilities. Q: A12 If I do not use my cylinders at work do I need to colour code or label my cylinders? A: A12 Cylinders need to meet the legislative requirements if the contents are to be used at work or the cylinder is to be filled by a person at work or filled at a place of work. Q: A13 Is it mandatory to colour code cylinders. A: A13 No it is not mandatory to colour code cylinders. Q: A14 Which method of identification of contents should be used after a “periodic inspectionâ€? A: A14 If the cylinder has been submitted for “periodic inspection†or “periodic inspection and test†to BS EN 1802 or BS EN 1968 then it is a mandatory requirement for the cylinder test facility in order to meet these standards to either label or colour code or do both. You may find that you have been charged for an identification sticker when you have sent your cylinder to us for test. As you can see from the above, we have a duty to meet the standards laid down. Q: A15 Which method of identification of contents should be used when selling new cylinders? A: A15 The minimum requirement should be to offer the buyer a label that is suitable for the gas they intend to use in they cylinder. A13/14/15.2 Labelling the contents of cylinders in a mandatory requirement under the Carriage of Dangerous Goods and Use of Transportable Pressure Receptacles Regulations 1996 where the gas is to be used at work, or the cylinder is to be filled by a person at work or filled at a place of work and will remain so under the proposed new regulations covering ADR 2003. For this reason if your cylinder is not labeled or colour coded, air fillers can refuse to fill your cylinder. Portland Oceaneering Ltd will offer you a free cylinder identification sticker with every cylinder purchased. In addition it is our policy to offer you the first “periodic Inspection†free of charge. If you have been refused a fill and wish to purchase an identification sticker, these are available from us at a cost of £1.50 ea Q: What happens when in 2½ years my cylinder is due for inspection or test but still has 6 months to run on the O2 clean ticket? A: Unfortunately we have not yet received any guidance or recommendations to address this problem. By Tina Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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