DNS Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Evan Davis went up in my estimation this morning on the Radio 4 'Today' programme discussion on Tom Docherty's bill to impose a minimum age for holding a SGC. He asked TD - several times - how many incidents there had been involving young people who hold SGCs. He didn't know of any. The Countryside Alliance chap did a reasonable job. He knew of two SGCs being revoked in ten years; which is honest and very few. The general impression given was of politicians meddling for no good reason. Regrettably, the BBC website illustrates the issue of legal shotguns with a picture of a (probably) illegal handgun. http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/default.stm Edited January 18, 2012 by DNS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Make a complaint to the bbc about the image I am doing the same with every incorrect image I see portrayed in the media and have had some changed! Currently waiting on a bbc response to a complaint about incorrect info on the CBBC site stating handguns can be used for vermin like rats and showing a young boy with a pistol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 As many know this has been rumbling on since last March when there was loads of media coverage about young people and shotgun certificates, then the bandwagon was jumped upon by a Labour back bencher who has put forward a private members Bill. Private Members' Bills are Public Bills introduced by MPs who aren't government ministers. A minority of Private Members' Bills become law but, as we have seen, they do tend to create publicity! All Bills have to go through the same parliamentary process, but private members Bills get much less time than other Bills so they tend to wither and die. Will the Bill go anywhere? It’s very unlikely, indeed we were in Parliament yesterday (and indeed today) and it’s simply not on anyone’s agenda it seems apart from this MP and a couple of his followers! Turning to the case in point, as the interviewer on Radio 4 said, where is the problem that the Bill is trying to address? The MP simply could not answer the point! The MP got several things wrong about firearms licensing, failed to show there was any issue what so ever, he has no record of any problems caused by young people, and failed to produce any evidence! The MP’s only defence seemed to be to moan that David T had not telephoned him! The MP did mis-represent us when he stated BASC supports his position that under 10’s should not have a certificate – this is cobblers – we have never ever supported this! As always we will be on top of this, but see little point in giving this MP and his silly Bill more publicity!! David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 The MP did mis-represent us when he stated BASC supports his position that under 10’s should not have a certificate – this is cobblers – we have never ever supported this! As always we will be on top of this, but see little point in giving this MP and his silly Bill more publicity!! David He is getting publicity for this 'silly bill' anyway - it would be worthwhile BASC making it clear that they do not support the call for a minimum age for a SGC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Having just heard the first bit he says there are only reasons to revoke a Shotgun Cert, "not having a good reason" well that isn't one! And "having a crimianl record" Which again isnt a reason to revoke unless the holder is given a custodial sentence of a certain legth making them a prohibited person, 66. The grounds on which a shotgun certificate may be revoked are different from those for the revocation of a firearm certificate. The grounds for revocation of a shotgun certificate are satisfied if the chief constable is satisfied either (a) that the certificate holder is prohibited from possessing a shotgun; or (B) that the certificate holder cannot be permitted to possess a shotgun without danger to public safety or the peace.[125] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/9505.htm If he actualy knew what he was talking about he would dangerous! HE also seems to have the point that all under 15 require supervision and cannot have access to the guns without it! (I think that's correct isnt it) I am pretty sure when i watched the Home affairs select committee Adrian Whiting stated that there was no need for a "minimum age" Edited January 18, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loafer Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 We should congratulate the Today program for being factual and keeping Thomas in check. Though the decision in the first place to give him 5 minutes of fame over a private members bill that appears to be taking its last gasps is somewhat interesting given previous complaints. Perhaps it's just a slow news day. Thinking aloud - Isn't it defamatory to suggest that a professional organisation supports a bill and it's clearly cobblers? I'd suggest that's grounds to issue a C&D to ensure he's not tempted to spout cobblers again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD2 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I was a bit shocked when he said BASC supported it but was relieved to read above this is not the case, maybe this should be rectified on the BBC page though to make clear to other listeners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I was a bit shocked when he said BASC supported it but was relieved to read above this is not the case, maybe this should be rectified on the BBC page though to make clear to other listeners. HE actually said the "British association of shooting" which i don't think exists.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 We have pointed out the error, or indeed should i say errors to the BBC.... David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Could that be made into a 'misleading parliament' charge? Ah, I re-read Davids post - it was on the BBC where chappy implied he has BASC support - not parliament. Edited January 18, 2012 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Evan Davis went up in my estimation this morning on the Radio 4 'Today' programme discussion on Tom Docherty's bill to impose a minimum age for holding a SGC. He asked TD - several times - how many incidents there had been involving young people who hold SGCs. He didn't know of any. The Countryside Alliance chap did a reasonable job. He knew of two SGCs being revoked in ten years; which is honest and very few. The general impression given was of politicians meddling for no good reason. Regrettably, the BBC website illustrates the issue of legal shotguns with a picture of a (probably) illegal handgun. http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/default.stm We now seem to have a shotgun on the website [broken correctly as well] so congratulations to you and HDAV - obviously, the BBC do listen sometimes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowchaser Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I checked the link just to see which party the Mp in question belonged to. I ought to have known the answer before hand. He's proposing a change in the law for a problem that does not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I checked the link just to see which party the Mp in question belonged to. I ought to have known the answer before hand. He's proposing a change in the law for a problem that does not exist. I think that point came across quite well (thankfully). What an idiot, no idea what he's talking about just coming out with nonsense. I do wonder though, perhaps someone on here can answer this as I'm probably missing something, but as I understand it under 15's can't own a shotgun (even a gifted one) not can they actually shoot one without supervision. So what difference does it make if they have a certificate or not, if they need supervision to use one anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I do wonder though, perhaps someone on here can answer this as I'm probably missing something, but as I understand it under 15's can't own a shotgun (even a gifted one) not can they actually shoot one without supervision. So what difference does it make if they have a certificate or not, if they need supervision to use one anyway? Supervisor doesn't need SGC just to be an adult, on land where the lender (to anyone) is not the occupier anyone needs SGC to shoot a lent gun. Under 15 can't shoot unsupervised IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Supervisor doesn't need SGC just to be an adult, on land where the lender (to anyone) is not the occupier anyone needs SGC to shoot a lent gun. Under 15 can't shoot unsupervised IIRC. Thanks for clearing that up, it makes more sense now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I think that point came across quite well (thankfully). What an idiot, no idea what he's talking about just coming out with nonsense. He's just trying to make a name for himself.......and we all know what that name is, don't we children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 caft dunt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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