deadeye ive Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Hi all I have decided on a combination ...........these are the honest and in the field results Shooting style ,9-13 & 13-27 Harris Bi-pods ,,,,,,,,,,Homemade sandbag on the rear .......Lying prone on grass ..........Distance 100 yds First group was poor(Top Left ) ..........after 25 rds I was running a fouled barrel which had not been touched in any way since it's previous outing ..........I feel my set up is 'nt suited to this Due to the lie of the land the 9 -13" harris on full extension does not offer a solid firing platform and the grouping reflects this . Swapped to the larger harris .......brought the scope down 2 clicks (20mm ) and shot 3 very consistant groups Rifle is now cleaned with BBS and a Jag ............Right or wrong I'm happy in myself with this ........However I don't lubricate with oil afterwards ............Even with several runs with a patch i don't feel you manage to remove it all and this does affect the first shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 what load have you settled on mate? did you catch my last post regarding my homeloads in the Howa thread, those are all the targets i shot on the day (bar a few which were not really prooving anything, end of day tired and heat haze playing hell with me ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 What bullet heads are you using Ive? In my Sako I have found that the best are either 50g V-Max or 50g Berger hollowpoints. I totally agree with you re the smaller bipod on full extension - I get just as good groups or better with a kneeling shot. I went on a shooting course many moons ago and the recommendation was not to oil your barrel, as if you forget to clean it out then the pressures can be massively increased on the first shot. This applied to shotguns as well as rifles. The only time to oil your barrel was said to be when you put the gun in storage and you MUST clean the oil out before use. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Good grouping Ive. How long, do you leave your rifle dirty for in the safe, before cleaning Ive? Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted July 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 what load have you settled on mate? did you catch my last post regarding my homeloads in the Howa thread, those are all the targets i shot on the day (bar a few which were not really prooving anything, end of day tired and heat haze playing hell with me ) I settled on 24g N133 with a 50 grn Hornady V-max ............No pressure signs BTW ..........There are shooters out there that run larger amounts of N133 ..........Each to their own mate and I'm happy with it Yes ....Just looked ..........good groups ..........Are you using a proper bench rest set up ?........Incidently my 8 x 56 S/B will blank out a 1" thick black line at 100 yds so I'm pleased with the out come What bullet heads are you using Ive? In my Sako I have found that the best are either 50g V-Max or 50g Berger hollowpoints. I totally agree with you re the smaller bipod on full extension - I get just as good groups or better with a kneeling shot. I went on a shooting course many moons ago and the recommendation was not to oil your barrel, as if you forget to clean it out then the pressures can be massively increased on the first shot. This applied to shotguns as well as rifles. The only time to oil your barrel was said to be when you put the gun in storage and you MUST clean the oil out before use. Don Yes I use the Hornady 50 g V-max .............55g noslers work well as well but I had to settle on 1 only .....I'm learning all the time Don and i honestly believe you can't remove all the oil by running dry patches thru the barrel ......you need some kind of solvent .........Couple this by spraying the inside of a T8 with WD 40 and your guarenteed some eratic first shots ..........No good when it's live quarry even though you'll more than likely hit the kill zone at sensible ranges Good grouping Ive. How long, do you leave your rifle dirty for in the safe, before cleaning Ive? Frank. It was left for 1 week Frank ...........Was out with Miffy double checking that the combination chosen was consistant . The other week when i tried 65 rds over 4 hrs I cleaned the rifling twice with BBS (Butches Bore Shine ) Brush and patch ....Accuracy was not affected ...............It was only later that I run some RS oil on a Patch followed by several dry patched runs that caused the first shot to go off ...........Hence my conclusion .......NO OIL whatsoever in the barrel unless like Don mentioned previously where it's going to be stored away for a long time ................And definately don't spray the T8 prior to any Hunting trip :o Good hunting All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Thanks Ive. KG 3 digreaser is magic i find for getting oil out of a barrel. Pitting can accure in a rifle, if not cleaned every day or 2. I have this info from 2 very good rifle smiths in this country. Im in no way teaching you to suck eggs or anything, just some freindly advice Ive. Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Well almost snap. I run 24.5g of N133, and have been absolutely delighted with it. I set the bullet depth to 10 thou' off the lands. I have never put oil anywhere near my barrel since I bought the gun. Clean it every couple of months or 50 rounds or so. I followed the same practice for all of my previous centrefires, and never noted any loss of accuracy whatsoever. The Remmy 700 Varmint 22-250 that I had saw 1,000's of rounds through it, and when I got rid it would still show a 5 shot group all touching. Frank - never touched my T8 either, but one thing I have learned over the years - if you are getting the results then don't change what you are doing. Half of the battle goes on in your head before you even pull the trigger. As I have said before - it's the shots that you miss that keep you awake, not the one's that you get. The last fox I missed was entirely my fault. I was shooting off the bipod diagonally across a very steep slope. I had the bipod canted fully over to one side, and even then struggled to get the fox in my sights. Should have been an easy shot at 120 yards or so, but I missed. The reason in hindsight is obvious - with the bipod canted over 'against the stop' the gun jumped as I fired. You never stop learning in this game, and I should have known better! Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 thanks lads, the highest i went with n133 last weekend was 23.5 (as the manual suggests no higher than 23.7) but as i have no pressure signs at all i will move on to 24 and 24.5 (as i shot my best hornady group with the 23.5) I will also experiment with seating depth as i am currently running 20 thou out, and a few people ive talked to have been moving in to the 10-15 thou region with better result than i am getting. that .222 group i showed was shot by me with my dads .222 with a swaro 8x56 on it (from bench rest as were all my .223 groups) so although the thick cross hairs dont help, you can still shoot good groups with them. Some good groups there deadeye , certainly good enough for foxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted July 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Yep .................I'm particulary pleased with the last 2 groups .......centre right and lower right ........Place them on top of each other and it'd be 6 in a 5p size group ...........I don't think I can better that Good luck with your own development ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Ive those groups are very good, I would be more than happy with those. We all know they can tightened up by a bench rest setup, but then what use is that to you in the field? For hunting, they are very good indeed, as you know it's all about consistancy and reliability. I know what you are saying about the S&B cross hairs, again it's a hunting scope not a target shooting scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted July 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Ive those groups are very good, I would be more than happy with those.We all know they can tightened up by a bench rest setup, but then what use is that to you in the field? For hunting, they are very good indeed, as you know it's all about consistancy and reliability. I know what you are saying about the S&B cross hairs, again it's a hunting scope not a target shooting scope. Stuart I am happy .............a long journey coming to a conclusion I feel ................Next step is to set myself up with the reloading although Miffy has kindly said i can use his anytime which'll probably be the case for a short while until I'm sorted . I think the idea of proper bench resting is to take human error out of the equation as you well know but you have to simulate this in the field .............Ideal if you've a vehicle where you can set the pods and sandbag up on the bonnet but with the harris fully extended and me sitting behind it's a whole different ball game ............Wobble,wobble :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Some decent groups there Ive. We will have to get out again before Doveridge and have another go :blink: That is if my knee is ok after the fall at the Motogp this weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted July 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Some decent groups there Ive. We will have to get out again before Doveridge and have another go That is if my knee is ok after the fall at the Motogp this weekend In the words of Micheal Caine ...........Your only suppose to watch the professionals take them tight bends .......yer mrs we'rnt on the back was she :blink: Yep a quick couple of hours won't hurt on the range mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Here you go Ive, I found this in my bag the other day, this was a group shot on that blisteringly hot Saturday a few weeks ago. I could only get 3 shots off before the barrel was overheatinga nd the shimmering through the scope was like shooting under water, aand that was before we started shooting. So, Factory ammo - American Eagles in 50grn Factory gun - CZ.223 **** shot - me Enough excuses, here it is. As you say it is a way of proving the equipment, but resting a pod and taking your time is no training for the real world we may find ourselves in, like taking nasty off hand shots or worse still hitting running targets which is what I have got to get the hang of next :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex lad Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Here you go Ive, I found this in my bag the other day, this was a group shot on that blisteringly hot Saturday a few weeks ago. I could only get 3 shots off before the barrel was overheatinga nd the shimmering through the scope was like shooting under water, aand that was before we started shooting. So, Factory ammo - American Eagles in 50grn Factory gun - CZ.223 **** shot - me Enough excuses, here it is. As you say it is a way of proving the equipment, but resting a pod and taking your time is no training for the real world we may find ourselves in, like taking nasty off hand shots or worse still hitting running targets which is what I have got to get the hang of next :blink: All these piccys of tiny groups That's me down to the gun shop then, to get a bucket full of ammo in And get some serious practice in before Bisley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 You should see the size of that custom 20 pence in real life :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted July 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Here you go Ive, I found this in my bag the other day, this was a group shot on that blisteringly hot Saturday a few weeks ago. I could only get 3 shots off before the barrel was overheatinga nd the shimmering through the scope was like shooting under water, aand that was before we started shooting. So, Factory ammo - American Eagles in 50grn Factory gun - CZ.223 **** shot - me Enough excuses, here it is. As you say it is a way of proving the equipment, but resting a pod and taking your time is no training for the real world we may find ourselves in, like taking nasty off hand shots or worse still hitting running targets which is what I have got to get the hang of next :blink: All these piccys of tiny groups That's me down to the gun shop then, to get a bucket full of ammo in And get some serious practice in before Bisley It's all about enjoying the day as far as I'm concerned SL ...........And of course putting faces to names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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