vredestein ultrac sessanta

[welsh1]

I am thinking about getting the above tyres for my st220,all the reviews seem good,and i like the tread pattern on them,so has anyone on here had any experience with the tyres? anything i should be aware of?I don't want to throw away a lot of money and then be told they are rubbish.

 

I will also have a few p zero's for sale in good condition,if the garage doesn't take them off my hands for a reduction in the price of my new tyres.

[StuC]

What do you want the tyre to do? Grip, long mileage, or funky tread?

[Chr15j]

Father in law has the vreds in his xtype (read st220 with improvements) perfectly serviceable good grip etc

[welsh1]

What do you want the tyre to do? Grip, long mileage, or funky tread?

 

Keep my st220 on the road is first,quietness is next(hence the tyre change)long mileage will not happen,16000 and i would be happy.

i have used p zero's for years on the last couple of cars,but have now had a couple of tyres suffer from deformation,and cause excessive road noise,so am looking for a good replacement,i could just get the expensive ones,but these seem to tick all the boxes,so thought i would see if anyone had any input.

[welsh1]

Father in law has the vreds in his xtype (read st220 with improvements) perfectly serviceable good grip etc

 

Thanks for that, appreciate the advice about the grip.

You do realise the the x type engine is the ford mondeo st engine

[The Jackson]

A good tyre, I put them on my E46 M3

Edited March 10, 2012 by The Jackson

[StuC]

Fords seem to do weird things to the rear tyres which cause a lot of noise.

I don't have any experience with the Vredestein but it has agood write up and its predecesor did well in the big tests.

 

Strongly sugest you get a decent 4 wheel alignment carried by someone who knows what they're doing.

[welsh1]

Fords seem to do weird things to the rear tyres which cause a lot of noise.

 

 

Strongly sugest you get a decent 4 wheel alignment carried by someone who knows what they're doing.

 

Some of the boys on the st forum have said the same thing,have a good mechanic who will do my alignment,thanks for the advice,think i will order the tyres this week.

[tweedledee]

Great rubber but i find them a little noisy.would buy another set.have them on my gti

[Chr15j]

Thanks for that, appreciate the advice about the grip.

You do realise the the x type engine is the ford mondeo st engine

Not quite, some differences inc bhp and torque. I had a 3.0 xtype and loved it. 231 bhp and went like stink! A true jaguar in sheeps clothing! 4wd was amazing with dsc on mine. My advice bin the mundano and get a 3.0 v6 cat, you will never look back!

Or lease a new car through me (I have to say that )

[welsh1]

Not quite, some differences inc bhp and torque. I had a 3.0 xtype and loved it. 231 bhp and went like stink! A true jaguar in sheeps clothing! 4wd was amazing with dsc on mine. My advice bin the mundano and get a 3.0 v6 cat, you will never look back!

Or lease a new car through me (I have to say that )

 

Here's a bit of reading,the jag engine is just a modified ford st220 engine called the aj30,they have added variable valve timing,,it's a pity they are stopping development of the engine,as there is a lot more that could be done,most st220 come as 226bhp,not many stay that way,mine runs at approx 245bhp,and mine is an estate, One of the major drawbacks is the dual mass fly wheel, had mine replaced at 55000 miles,£1000 :o

 

The jag is a glorified ford

 

I would like the noble engine fitted to my st

 

[edit]Duratec 30

 

 

The Ford Duratec 30 Engine in a Mercury Sable.

The 3.0 L Duratec 30 or Mazda AJ was introduced in 1996 as a replacement for the 3.8 L (230 cu in) Essex V6 in the up-market versions of the Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable. It has 2,967 cc (181 cu in) of displacement and produces between 200 hp (150 kW) and 240 hp (180 kW). With an aluminum block and cylinder heads, it is the same basic engine used in the Jaguar S-Type, Lincoln LS, Mazda MPV, Mazda 6, Mondeo ST220 and many other Ford vehicles. It is essentially a bored-out (to 89 mm) Duratec 25 and is built in Ford Motor Company's Cleveland Engine #2 plant in Cleveland, Ohio. A slightly modified version for the Ford Five Hundred entered production at the Cleveland #1 plant in 2004.

There are two key versions of the first-generation Duratec 30:

DAMB - The Lincoln LS and Jaguar AJ30 versions have direct-acting mechanical bucket (DAMB) tappets. Output is 232 hp (173 kW) at 6750 rpm with 220 lb·ft (298 N·m) of torque at 4500 rpm.

RFF - The Taurus/Sable/Escape version uses roller finger followers (RFF) instead and produces 201 hp (150 kW) at 5900 rpm with 207 lb·ft (281 N·m) of torque at 4400 rpm.

[edit]Variable Cam Timing

The 2006 Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, and Lincoln Zephyr feature a version of the Duratec 30 using variable valve timing. The engine has an output of 221 hp (165 kW) at 6250 rpm, and 205 lb·ft (278 N·m) of torque at 4800 rpm. 23 L/100 km (10 mpg-US)

The final major revision of the Duratec 30 was seen on the 2009 Ford Escape and Mercury Mariner small SUVs. Cam-torque-actuated iVCT was introduced in this version along with better breathing heads. The result is a bump from the previous version's 223 bhp (166 kW; 226 PS) to 240 hp (180 kW) at 6550 rpm. The newly refreshed engine made its way into the redesigned Ford Fusion as the optional base V6, and the Mercury Milan as the only V6 for the 2010 model redesign.

[edit]Replacement

The 3.0L delivered ample power in the midsize sedan segment, however the Fusion later received the Duratec 35 V6 as a top-tier "Sport" option to remain competitive with larger V6 offerings in the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord. The Duratec 30 remained as a step up from the base I4 in the fusion, but the Milan kept the 3.0L as its sole V6 until it was discontinued for the 2011 model year. The 3.0L Has the potential to deliver more power, but it is believed to be nearing the end of its development; Ford will begin to phase it out in favor of newer engine lines. The Duratec 30 will be dropped as the higher-end powerplant in the 2013 Escape in favor of the 2.0L EcoBoost I4, which produces similar power, more torque, and better fuel economy. As shown in the 2013 Ford Fusion, the Duratec 30 will also be replaced by the EcoBoost 2.0L. It is unlikely that another revision of the engine will appear in any future Ford vehicles, and will be replaced by the EcoBoost 2.0L I4, and Cyclone 35 V6. The original version of the engine without iVCT is available as a crate engine from Ford Power Products, producing 232 bhp (173 kW; 235 PS).

[edit]Other applications

A Twin-turbocharged version of this engine is used in the Noble M400, a British sports car. The engine is rebuilt and tuned to a max power of 425 bhp (317 kW) at 6500 rpm, with a torque figure of 390 lb·ft (529 N·m) at 5000 rpm. Noble has used forged pistons, an oil cooler, a larger baffled oil sump and extra cooling ducts to maintain its durability. 29 L/100 km (8.1 mpg-US)

Mazda's MZI version[citation needed] adds variable valve timing, as does Jaguar's AJ30. Note that the MZI name is also used in Europe on Mazda's version of the Ford Sigma I4. The 3.0 L, 226 hp (169 kW) V6 used in the Mondeo ST220 is called Duratec ST. The 3.0 L 204 hp (152 kW) V6 in the Mondeo Titanium is called Duratec SE. 28.1 mpg-US (8.37 L/100 km; 33.7 mpg-imp)

A racing version of this engine exists and is used on mini prototypes like the Juno SS3 V6. It is a 3.0 liter naturally aspirated non variable timing engines producing between 350 and 400 horsepower with a red line of around 8700 rpm. The engine has a 40 hour racing life span before it needs to be rebuilt with rings and bearings and has proven very reliable and a race winner. The engine has a Jaguar badge and branded as a Jaguar 3.0 liter V6 since it is built and mostly sold in the U.K.

[Chr15j]

Fell asleep part way through that...

[Chr15j]

Fact is jag X-Type shares about 25% of components with mundano. Mainly suspension and brakes.

 

Another fact is that Jag seems to have that mystique etc that when you say you have a Jag people tend to take more notice than when you say you have a Mondeo (they just think rep-mobile) not Mondeo ST220 which you then need to explain that it's something a bit special (by which time they have lost interest)

 

Having said that the Mondeo is an excellent vehicle and using its suspension and braking for the X-Type was a great move as it was considered best in market at the time.

 

Funny thing is I'm saying all of this having sold my 3.0 V6 SE X-Type which was replaced by a Audi TT TDi Quattro which is less practical, slower, less engaging but more economical.

 

Yes, I miss my Mondeo in a frock!

[welsh1]

Fell asleep part way through that...

 

 

:lol: :lol: Sorry ,it was a bit long.

[m3vert]

I have had these tyres on both an Impreza turbo and my current M3 and would highly recommend the tyre! Well priced, decent grip and all round good value as far as I was concerned. I would use them again with no issues. Hope that helps?

[welsh1]

I have had these tyres on both an Impreza turbo and my current M3 and would highly recommend the tyre! Well priced, decent grip and all round good value as far as I was concerned. I would use them again with no issues. Hope that helps?

 

 

Cheers mate, that's a good bit of info.

 

Thanks to everyone for their input,much appreciated.

[DSPUK]

I had these on front of my Mazda - can't fault them - they are soft and grip well in wet but don't do good milage - 12k at most but I did suffer from tracking (4 wheels adjustable)- had it done numerous times at different garages - in end went to specialist in Stafford - did it go round corners then - They use bluetooth from each wheel and it's all computerised - even slightly adjusted camber.

 

Dave