binman Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 can i apply for a fac rated semi auto, obviously i would have to apply for my fac stating i want a section 1 shotgun, and give reason, would pest controll be a good reason, thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Yes you can, i have mine down for control of avian pest, species ground game and vermin as well as target shotgun and practical shotgun. Dont forget to ask for slug ammo as well Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanibel686 Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 what reason can you give for slug? is vermin adequate of do tyou need to specify deer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 (edited) what reason can you give for slug? is vermin adequate of do tyou need to specify deer? You really need to specify PSG (Target) shooting to get slug on your FAC with a few Firearms Offices. I doubt that you would get "slug" just for Vermin or Deer, but I could well be wrong, plus of course, if you want to shoot deer and have them on your permission (With written permission to shoot them) then why not put in for a descent CF rifle and do the job properly? If I were in your position I would try speaking to your Firearms Office about it first! Edited May 7, 2012 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huffhuff Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Slug will take deer down no problem and is legal to do if you have the right bits of scribble on your licence (and the right situation). Although, it's unlikely you'll get given slug for that reason alone. Pre-emptive: I don't think people need to side-track this thread with moral, ethical or any other arguments for and against slug on deer (just use search to hear both sides of story). But if you don't intend to shoot deer with it or take up PSG - I wouldn't bother. I happen to do PSG which I think helped me get a section 1. I also have it down for pest control and target/clay shooting. However, I think it may come down to the FEO and/or your constabulary views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Pigeon/avian pest control should be OK, and if you wanted slug you could ask for it for humane dispatch (i.e so you can dispatch wounded animals such as trapped deer if you came across them while carrying a shotgun). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 I can see no reason for slug outside of a target range unless for humane despatch unless you have wild boar on the ground. Personally I would leave slug out of it unless you are a paid up member of a club that shoots them. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 good luck on getting it even as a full time pestie, and having a FAC open ticket, along with humane dispatch, I still was'ent granted a sec 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordersman Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 i just been granted fac shotgun with slugs for humane despatch. just shows how the firearms section of each force misinterprets the HO guidlines. atb steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 good luck on getting it even as a full time pestie, and having a FAC open ticket, along with humane dispatch, I still was'ent granted a sec 1 I can see no reason at all why one could not be grated for pigeon or crow decoying. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 (edited) I only have slug for target and PSG however my mates conditions say "the smoothbore gun and ammunition shall be used for fox, vermin and ground game, plus the usual open condition wording! Seeing as the only shotgun ammunition listed on his ticket is solid slug, IMO that means he is free to shot fox and vermin with it. Ian. Edited May 7, 2012 by Vermincinerator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 You don't need a slug for humane dispatch, 28G of number 6 makes a neat job of a cow. Where are you in Yorkshire? North Yorkshire didn't bat an eyelid when I put in for a FAC shotgun. I wrote down crows but it came back with vermin. I then asked for them to add clay pigeon shooting on, and they obliged. Not sure I know of a single gamekeeper who has a semi auto that isn't on a FAC! If you are getting one you might as well get one that holds more cartridges. I can always just put three in, but if you get a restricted on on a SGC you can't put more in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 I only have slug for target and PSG however my mates conditions say "the smoothbore gun and ammunition shall be used for fox, vermin and ground game, plus the usual open condition wording! Seeing as the only shotgun ammunition listed on his ticket is solid slug, IMO that means he is free to shot fox and vermin with it. Ian. An ideal round for a rat then !!!, rat, what rat, I see no rat just a big smoking hole !! A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 i was told by the police (suffolk) That shooting lots of pigeons was a good enough reason for a section 1 shotgun. i was told by the police (suffolk) That shooting lots of pigeons was a good enough reason for a section 1 shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 I only have slug for target and PSG however my mates conditions say "the smoothbore gun and ammunition shall be used for fox, vermin and ground game, plus the usual open condition wording! Seeing as the only shotgun ammunition listed on his ticket is solid slug, IMO that means he is free to shot fox and vermin with it. Ian. It would be interesting to read your mates FAC. The police should never attach terretorial restrictions to semi auto shotguns and, as with all fac ammo, the solid slugs should have their own seperate condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 not got solid on mine...but can now shoot deer?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 (edited) It would be interesting to read your mates FAC. The police should never attach terretorial restrictions to semi auto shotguns and, as with all fac ammo, the solid slugs should have their own seperate condition. He does not have any terretorial restrictions and as i said that is what his FAC condition says, i have read it myself. I dont get what you mean, "as with all FAC ammo the solid slugs should have their own seperate conditions. His FAC is the same as mine and i dont have seperate conditions for ammo, mine says for example: The 22-250 rifle and ammunition shall be used for......... its the same for my other calibres. Ian. Edited May 9, 2012 by Vermincinerator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 He does not have any terretorial restrictions and as i said that is what his FAC condition says, i have read it myself. I dont get what you mean, "as with all FAC ammo the solid slugs should have their own seperate conditions. His FAC is the same as mine and i dont have seperate conditions for ammo, mine says for example: The 22-250 rifle and ammunition shall be used for......... its the same for my other calibres. Ian. Every fac I have ever seen with slugs have always listed the slugs as a completly seperate entry together with what they may be used for unlike rifles and their ammo which are listed as you describe above. Hence my question. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 Every fac I have ever seen with slugs have always listed the slugs as a completly seperate entry together with what they may be used for unlike rifles and their ammo which are listed as you describe above. Hence my question. Charlie Right, get you know mine is listed that way but my mates isnt, although he does have other conditions applying to his FAC shotguns, one is his condition to take wild birds in accordance with the general licence which does not mention ammunition, the same as mine and the other is for PSG and target shotgun which again says "the smoothbore gun and ammunition" My own conditions are the same but are worded "smoothbore gun and soild slug ammunition" and i dont have a condition for fox ground game and vermin with soild slug I can only shoot PSG and target shotgun with slug but fox, ground game and vermin as well as wildbirds in accordance with the general licence with normal shotgun cartridges. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 Right, get you know mine is listed that way but my mates isnt, although he does have other conditions applying to his FAC shotguns, one is his condition to take wild birds in accordance with the general licence which does not mention ammunition, the same as mine and the other is for PSG and target shotgun which again says "the smoothbore gun and ammunition" My own conditions are the same but are worded "smoothbore gun and soild slug ammunition" and i dont have a condition for fox ground game and vermin with soild slug I can only shoot PSG and target shotgun with slug but fox, ground game and vermin as well as wildbirds in accordance with the general licence with normal shotgun cartridges. Ian. Ian Thanks, with you now. Best Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0145wirbelwind Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 what reason can you give for slug? is vermin adequate of do tyou need to specify deer? dont even think about deer slugs in Avon and Somerset. They will tell you to do a deer corse and get a rifle. As for a the semi you might get one for pigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewj Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 what reason can you give for slug? is vermin adequate of do tyou need to specify deer? i know of folk who have "wildlife management" condition for slug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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