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Bit of help please lads on my barrels it has 18 5 NP 12/70 850 BAR LP/92 Winchestor proof steel

 

could somebody explain what these mean ,does the 850 bar mean i cant use shells over that presure? i have used some rc40 carts that have max1050Bar on them :unsure:

 

cheers

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850 is maximum working preasure in bar. So i woudnt use ur rc's in it mate. The NP means nitro proof not sure on the 185. What model is it? Might be able to find out more.

glad i spotted it now i was told the carts would be fine in the gun by shop owner :blush: its a Winchestor 101 xtr pigeon grade also checking again its 18 5 not 185 if it makes any difference

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No worries mate. Pity coz ov just sold a mint escort auto cheap. Its always the case ha ha. If you want a good cartridge within ur guns limit then try eley high flyers in 30 grm 5s. I swear by them. There a fast hard hitting cartridge and they kill cleanly as far as your comfortable shooting. I flattened a fox with 1 and it didnt even flinch. I do usualy use 50grm 3s but shows you how good they are.

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my browning ultra gti is proofed to 850bar but all of the clay shells i use including the 24gr no9 skeet shells are all 900bar. the only shell i have thats 850 is a light 2 1/2" 30gram no 5, i think it was hull maybe. i thought it was a bit odd that even the 24gram shells were over what the gun was proofed too. not that i am perticularly worried about it but i dont think i will be putting any mini mags through it.

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Nice gun dont be blowing it up ha ha. Always wanted 1 of those. Ther quite hard to come bye.

 

18.5 is what it should say its proof in kg

 

Surely the 18.5 is the barrel ID in mms.

 

If I were you, I'd do some checking. I will not say more because I don't KNOW whether the 850 is service or proof and the same applies to the cartridges. In other words, if the gun is service and the cartridges refer to proof then the shop chappie could well be right. As it's you pulling the trigger, the onus is on you to know. I'd ignore all comments on here regarding the proof marks and seek professional advice.

 

Be sure, be safe.

 

Edit: Al, you weren't there when I started!

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Wouldn't that be for 0.729" (standard)? I've always wondered how the English 9" dimension was expressed if the bore was given in metric - 23ish mm?

Proof rules have changed over the years as have the markings, .729 would be the old way of measurement, but wether you use 9"

Or 228.6 mm it does not matter as long as its in the same place, I'm not sure if it should now be expressed in mm or not

Sizes are now marked In mm interestingly though, if its marked in thous then you are allowed a bore enlargement up to the next bore size which is .741 which gives 11 thou, if metric marks are present then you are allowed .2 enlargement which is 8 thou regardless of the next bore size

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Proof rules have changed over the years as have the markings, .729 would be the old way of measurement, but wether you use 9"

Or 228.6 mm it does not matter as long as its in the same place, I'm not sure if it should now be expressed in mm or not

Sizes are now marked In mm interestingly though, if its marked in thous then you are allowed a bore enlargement up to the next bore size which is .741 which gives 11 thou, if metric marks are present then you are allowed .2 enlargement which is 8 thou regardless of the next bore size

 

Exactly, it's a minefield. The problem is is that Joe Bloggs has to understand it in order to be safe. As the changes are legion this becomes increasingly difficult and therefore we must be able to rely on the professionals to ensure that we don't come to grief.

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I think you must be miss reading it. 18.5 will be stamped on both barrels . It's the bore diameter, I very sure it won't be stamped 18.5 kg. that equated to neither barrel weight or service pressure. It may be barrel weight on a military canon! :-) :-)

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I think you must be miss reading it. 18.5 will be stamped on both barrels . It's the bore diameter, I very sure it won't be stamped 18.5 kg. that equated to neither barrel weight or service pressure. It may be barrel weight on a military canon! :-) :-)

there is no kg just 18 5 on both barrels ,thanks for all replys guys :good: hopefully ill get to the bottom of it some how

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18 5 (18.5 perhaps?) is the bore diameter in mm at the time of proof, NP indicates that it is for use with nitro cartridges, 12/70 indicates it's chambered for 70mm 12 bore cartridges, 850 Bar is your maximum service pressure (do NOT use cartridges exceeding this figure) and LP/92 tells you it was proofed (or maybe re-proofed) at the London Proof House in 1992.

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