Livefast123 Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Does anyone know if anyone is stocking modern muzzle loaders like the Traditions Evolution / Thompson Pro Hunter in the UK at the moment. Google seems to be bringing up a blank at the mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 How about finding the inporter for Thomson Centre! I think it is Viking arms??? Thompson web site itself may help. These M/Lers are not taken seriously over her, shame IMO. Good luck. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted July 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Agreed, nobody seems to shoot them over here. I fancied something a bit different from the usual Hawkin etc, they only cost around £140 over there so we'll see what the price is here...... I'll try Viking Arms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 sorry about the spelling but please try to understand it. There are shops in france that sell them (no cert need,think you have to prove your over 18 or 21) as powder noire(black powder) You may be able to go and get one. Iam not on about the pistols . Iam talking about modern long guns. Dont try to bring back black powder you need another liecence and i cant see that being ok on a boat or tunnel. Ask your rfd about bringing one back legally or the police. I know it can be done. www.fusil-calais.com/en/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Thanks Mr Salt, I'll look into it. Have found a CVA Buckhorn at MidwayUK for £217 so may buy that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Sloans of Inverurie in Scotland have a couple on the rack for sale, you will fin them on the net. Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Is there anyone doing a similar thing in a "modern" type muzzle loading pistol?, similar to a standard S&W N frame revolver, I have large hands and the old cowboy style pistols have small uncomfortable grips. I know Westlake do a conversion of an Armscor revolver but the cost is pretty high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Ardesa Buck Hunter .50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Very nice, can't find one on Google but they are supposed to be filtering out a lot of shooting related terms nowadays :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 if you buy from usa you will have to pay vat and import duty. if you buy from france you dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 think the best pistol your going to get a reasonable money would be the ruger or remmington new model army 1860 (i Think) They do target models with ok sights. The grips are bigger than the colts (army/navy) I would think you could swap the grips for bigger ones easy (hogue) Spelling might be a bit wrong. Dont think they do a s&w686 masterpiece style black powder pistol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Had a look at a Euroarms new model army at Henry Kranks, grip is too small/narrow at the top for me. What's the position with buying black powder pistols?, I know they have to be on your FAC but is there any reason plod may not be happy about wanting a .50 cal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 i may be wrong but if its a smooth barrel its a shotgun cert.(musket) if its rifled its still fac. Tho i may be wrong as they may say your firing slugs so fac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Kranks stock the Ardesa or at least it's in the latest publication at £279. Can't see an issue as a lot of B/P pistols are around .50 or bigger. You can either use a conical bullet or a sabot and a 44 bullet apparently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Cheers, found it in the 2010/11 catalogue but it's not on their current web site :( Edited July 3, 2012 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 i may be wrong but if its a smooth barrel its a shotgun cert.(musket) if its rifled its still fac. Tho i may be wrong as they may say your firing slugs so fac. iam talking about long guns not pistols which are all fac unless from 1860 ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Not all long muzzle loaders are FAC. Some are indeed smooth bored like these and work fine with shot. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) The only problem with .50 is possibly what your range is licenced for. If you shoot m/l pistol for any length of time (as I have) you soon come to realise that single shots are soooooo much quicker and less fiddly than these silly western style revolvers. Also much more accurate. Something like the Ardesa is the dogs whatsits. You can even put a scope or a red dot on it. I could load and fire that ten times in ten minutes easy. Ten times in five minutes would still be no sweat. Proper aimed shots too. At the time of the handgun ban if more people had bought them instead of having totally unsuitable cowboy rubbish foisted on them by dealers who just wanted to get their hands on people's compensation cash then pistol shooting might have survived. This is what I shoot http://www.titanreloading.com/molds/black-powder-molds/r-e-a-l-bullet-for-muzzleloaders/lee-real-dc-mold-45-cal-200- Pre-measured powder charge, drop one of these on top, cap and fire. As quick as that. Edited July 6, 2012 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 The only problem with .50 is possibly what your range is licenced for. If you shoot m/l pistol for any length of time (as I have) you soon come to realise that single shots are soooooo much quicker and less fiddly than these silly western style revolvers. Also much more accurate. Something like the Ardesa is the dogs whatsits. You can even put a scope or a red dot on it. I could load and fire that ten times in ten minutes easy. Ten times in five minutes would still be no sweat. Proper aimed shots too. At the time of the handgun ban if more people had bought them instead of having totally unsuitable cowboy rubbish foisted on them by dealers who just wanted to get their hands on people's compensation cash then pistol shooting might have survived. This is what I shoot http://www.titanreloading.com/molds/black-powder-molds/r-e-a-l-bullet-for-muzzleloaders/lee-real-dc-mold-45-cal-200- Pre-measured powder charge, drop one of these on top, cap and fire. As quick as that. Bang on (no pun,,,). Muzzleloading is so simple, cheap compared to buying reloading kit for metallic shells. Most tools can be hand made. Pure lead for ball and bullet. Home made lubes. A slower more relaxed pace, the fire and smoke. Excellent U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Still haven't managed to find an Ardesa, anyone have a link to where I can get one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Still haven't managed to find an Ardesa, anyone have a link to where I can get one? Kranks were the only people that had them AFAIK. If they don't stock them anymore its a shame because they were by far the best M/L pistol but people didn't buy them because they were always sidetracked onto stupid (IMO) stuff. Best give them a call and ask if they can still get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Is there anyone doing a similar thing in a "modern" type muzzle loading pistol?, similar to a standard S&W N frame revolver, I have large hands and the old cowboy style pistols have small uncomfortable grips. I know Westlake do a conversion of an Armscor revolver but the cost is pretty high. i have the same trouble with my remmington (piatta) revolver as the old style grip is the wrong size and shape,i was going to make a new chunky grip,but if i did that the gun would be classed as modified and would not be allowed to be used in competition so i have left it as standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted July 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 So would you put that .45 bullet in a sabot to use in a .50 pistol? I'm going to drop Kranks an email to see if they still supply the Ardesa as I really fancy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 No the bullet is for a .45 pistol and self engraves into the rifling. You don't want a .50 because most pistol ranges are only licenced up to .455. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 i might be wrong but i think are clubs range is only passed upto a certian velocity,not calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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