BERT Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 I have just brought a hand held crow call but don`t seem to be able to find the right pattern of caws. I have been told a fighting calls works but what is this as a tune? Got any advise please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 I have just brought a hand held crow call but don`t seem to be able to find the right pattern of caws. I have been told a fighting calls works but what is this as a tune? Got any advise please. What you need is a Complete Crow Calling manual And Crow Hunting Guide You need to master the art of the come back call and the fighting call Easy when you have a manual Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Pat Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Hi Both Just brought an electronic caller with external speaker, it has multiple calls on it but the crow call called in the local wary crows from up to 1/2 a mile across the valley and and suprisingly pigeons diverted off their flight lines for a look also. It was an expensive peice of kit and the build quality is 'ish', but after using it I'm impressed, the biggest down side is it needs a longer cable on the speaker as the calls are loud and wear a bit thin after a while. It has fox callers on the cards and I'll try them Saturday night with the lamp. The magpie caller had magpies responding in the wood but the sneaky devils would not fly out (not as dumb as the pigeons). Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fulltimeshooter Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Hi Both Just brought an electronic caller with external speaker, it has multiple calls on it but the crow call called in the local wary crows from up to 1/2 a mile across the valley and and suprisingly pigeons diverted off their flight lines for a look also. It was an expensive peice of kit and the build quality is 'ish', but after using it I'm impressed, the biggest down side is it needs a longer cable on the speaker as the calls are loud and wear a bit thin after a while. It has fox callers on the cards and I'll try them Saturday night with the lamp. The magpie caller had magpies responding in the wood but the sneaky devils would not fly out (not as dumb as the pigeons). Pat I hope that you were shooting with a camera and not a gun as electronic callers are illegal for the purpose of shooting (p.s) not avin a dig but just making you aware of the situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 I have one of these callers got it from our sponsors today it helped me photograph 47 of the black ********...... :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Is it illegal to shoot crow using a digital simulated crow call and also is it illegal to shot crow using an actual live recording of a crow call I was under the impression if it was digital simulated it was ok ?? But not 100% Anyone ?? Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeboy Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 I asked the question about the legality of electronic callers. The response was a very definate 'dont do it' you will be in serious trouble if you are caught. It just aint worth taking the chance ! The best thing I've found so fsr is to get a hand held crow call, I use a Haydels call. When the crows approach make a couple of crow type sounds and then forget crow sounds and make the sort of sound that would bring a fox running. It works quite well. Leeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Pat Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Cheers for the information Fulltimeshooter & Leeboy. It seems strange we are not able to use electronic callers to destroy vermin, I would have thought having them dead on the field was more important than whether the methods used were considered sporting. Now I know that is is legally frowned upon I shall mend my ways, as I have absolutely no intention of getting caught breaking this law . I knew there were rules conserning larsen traps, but callers are a new one on me. Do Defra set the rules? I wonder who would police them. Does anyone know of prosicutions over using these devices? Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Yes,there are regular trips to court for this,especially for our continental cousins who like to bring them with them on pigeon shooting trips. You only need one person in the know and you can kiss your guns good bye and there are more mobiles than ever to dob you in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeboy Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Cheers for the information Fulltimeshooter & Leeboy.It seems strange we are not able to use electronic callers to destroy vermin, I would have thought having them dead on the field was more important than whether the methods used were considered sporting. Now I know that is is legally frowned upon I shall mend my ways, as I have absolutely no intention of getting caught breaking this law . I knew there were rules conserning larsen traps, but callers are a new one on me. Do Defra set the rules? I wonder who would police them. Does anyone know of prosicutions over using these devices? Pat I agree that it seems daft that you cant use an electronic caller to sort out vermin like crows. Where I went shooting today there is just the biggest flock of assorted corvids litterally hundreds of them. The farmer estimates that they eat anywhere between 70 and 150 kilos of pig feed per week, probably more. This equates to almost 8 tonnes minimum a year. Myself and my shooting partner shot 63 today, mixture of c crows,rooks and jackdaws. We have shot 230+ birds in 3 sessions and there doesn't appear to be any less !! The Farmer is chuffed the crows cost him a small fortune. The price of pig feed by the tonne is over £100. All I can say about whomever it is that makes the rules is that they very obviously Aren't losing £800 quid a year to the ******* crows !!! Regards Leeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Is it illegal to shoot crow using a digital simulated crow call and also is it illegal to shot crow using an actual live recording of a crow call I was under the impression if it was digital simulated it was ok ?? But not 100% Anyone ?? Jonno http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/regulat/...tpest/wca31.pdf section 24, i think. any sound recordings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Pat Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Hi Mark I checked out the Defra website, and sadly we cannot use elctronic calls or even disco globes, but if you are killing Ruddy Ducks for Defra. 11. Effect of Artificial Decoys and Calls 11.1. A trial was carried out on five sites in the Western Midlands in June and July 2000 with the aim of testing the effectiveness of pre-recorded male ruddy duck display calls and a combination of calls and artificial decoys (one of each sex) in attracting ruddy ducks closer to Field Officers. 11.2 Analysis of the results suggests that the use of artificial decoys and calls together may attract birds closer, but not within effective shotgun range (30m) or rifle range (100m). However, the use of the call only attracted a number of birds within effective shotgun range and proved to be an effective aid in controlling birds. If we try it on vermin, it seems we will be Defracated on. This makes no sense to me, as any method of bringing vermin in close so it can be cleanly killed is a good thing, whether is is baits, calls, decoys, or releflective mirror devices. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 This makes no sense to me or me mate. just another stupid rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Far far too much needless red tape already... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Pat Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Hi All Letter to the local Tory MP time, I pay his wages so he can get grafting on my account. I'll also get in touch with BASC also to find out their stance on this law. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wol the hunter Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 I have one of these callers got it from our sponsors today it helped me photograph 47 of the black ********...... :yp: :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeboy Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 I have one of these callers got it from our sponsors today it helped me photograph 47 of the black ********...... :yp: :( Watch the Birdie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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