poontang Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) She still hasn't replied to any of my e-mails, reluctantly I must delete her from my Christmas card list. What do you reckon? I never had you down as a stalker mate, but fair do's I can't say I blame you for giving it a go. I'm a bit like you now, I'm bored with the whole thing. It's going round in circles with sniping from both sides and nothing shooters say or do will change anything. If and when lead is banned I'm planning on buying some home loading gear and a few lumps of lead. Job jobbed. Edited to say Debbie DID reply to my e-mail Edited October 10, 2012 by poontang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 i think you should remove the "organic" bit as it's not organic! andrew :lol: It's the new buzzword round here, all the farms are hanging up Organic signs (just means they can charge more, that's another con the tree huggers fall for every time), so the birds must be pesticide/fertiliser/whatever free as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I never had you down as a stalker mate. If you look very carefully you can just see a smeared handprint I made on the window behind her as security removed my ladder! Get your lead now,before prices rocket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Scully and Poontang, Very well said, I think we are all bored with the scaremongering by now. Sadly it has been going on for nearly twenty years, but we do have to see both sides of the discussion. David (BASC) gets cross and annoyed with my banging on, but I do understand his position, and I am sure that he sees where I am coming from. What annoys me is that BASC have all the way through been compliant to these accusations, preferring not to comment until they are sure of the facts. Well I am sorry, but I do think that we do need to be confrontational when false unfounded claims are made to ban Lead as a suitable ammunition in light of the fact that at present there is nothing better. Surely when you have intent to kill a bird in flight you should do it as efficiently and as humanely possible? This has been the very issue with steel from day one, peoples inability and lack of skill to judge range and to be good shots. Is it unreasonable to expect a BASC spokesperson to question the points made by Chris Perrins that Mallard bought from Supermarkets do not contain Lead shot because the Gamedealers will not buy illegally shot waterfowl. As has been pointed out lead shot can still be used for angling so shooters are not wholly to blame. No one seems to mention the fact that Lead is still used in the building trade for sealing roofs, how much Lead is used in the environment on buildings? Where is it used? on roofs to guide rainwater into the watercourse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Of course the shooting bodies need to be confrontational when false or inaccurate claims are made in the media, but you don’t achieve anything by making equally inaccurate claims in response! Commenting in detail before you are in full command of the facts is daft; why would BASC or any other organisation in the shooting world do that? We would just look foolish and run the great risk of ending up with egg on our face and undermining the credibility of the shooting industry’s arguments to keep lead shot. We rebuffed the WWT and FSA statements as soon as they were issued and further work is going on and further comment based on fact will be issued. I would agree with you that a combination of poor range judging and poor skill will almost certainly result in wounding –regardless of the type of shot you use. Don’t forget that while the WWT was trying to pursue a public campaign to ban lead shot before the science has been properly considered by the Lead Ammunition Group, BASC was securing assurances from all three major political parties that a ban is not on their agenda. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 worth remembering coming voting time is David Cameron actually shoots so you can be far more assured of his answer than any of the others who tend to pander to certain sides and like fox hunting you may find it gets included to persuade them to vote on another entirely unrelated matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) I would not be so sure! The conservatives have been responsible for more anti firearm legislation than labour...policy is made by the party, not the leader of the party remember. Edited October 11, 2012 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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