worthy130 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Just to make you all aware that the North Wales police will be doing spot checks on gun cabinates in Gwynedd from Monday 3rd December. Just remember it is well within your right to refuse them access if they have no warrent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Just to make you all aware that the North Wales police will be doing spot checks on gun cabinates in Gwynedd from Monday 3rd December. Just remember it is well within your right to refuse them access if they have no warrent! why would you want them to have to come back with a warrant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Just to make you all aware that the North Wales police will be doing spot checks on gun cabinates in Gwynedd from Monday 3rd December. Just remember it is well within your right to refuse them access if they have no warrent! I think you'll find it depends on why they are checking. What is this obsession with warrants?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I think its just trying to be objectionable to the establishment and pointless. It just highlights you may well have something to hide if you have nothing to hide why make their life difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 It certainly is. Makes no sense. I'm willing to bet the OP is a regular whinger about the service he recieves but is quite willing to add to the bureaucracy. Any chance of al4x's question being answered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Holt Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I think its just trying to be objectionable to the establishment and pointless. It just highlights you may well have something to hide if you have nothing to hide why make their life difficult. Not quite, it's more a case of objecting to a police force making up their own rules that go against Home Office guidelines and harassing law abiding shooters yet again. http://www.basc.org.uk/en/media/pressreleases.cfm/prid/7E4E7647-F411-4314-B284D5FBB1AEE740 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy130 Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 The police have no right to do spot checks on licence holders. BASC are actually advising you refuse entry! if they want to waste police time by doing spot checks, then they can waste a liitle more by having to come out again with a warrent! I do not whine about my local FLD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 The police have no right to do spot checks on licence holders. BASC are actually advising you refuse entry! if they want to waste police time by doing spot checks, then they can waste a liitle more by having to come out again with a warrent! I do not whine about my local FLD! I didn't narrow it to your FLD. No-one said there was a right/power for just checking the cabinet/guns. Why would you object to it though? Driving from the office to houses is what they do every day. Hardly a huge drain on resources to fit you in. Getting a warrant on the other hand is very time consuming. Better hope it is just a spot check or your attitude might find you in a sticky situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Not quite, it's more a case of objecting to a police force making up their own rules that go against Home Office guidelines and harassing law abiding shooters yet again. http://www.basc.org....284D5FBB1AEE740 Where does it say in the HO guidance that police SHOULD NOT check the security arrangements of certificate holders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy130 Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 TOPDOWN, This Post was to warn people in Gwynedd about spot checks, just to prompt them that if they are out shooting on Sunday night late, to lock up their guns rather than waiting till morning to clean them before putting them away etc! as all you seem to want to do is winge and complain (i have better things to do) I will now ignor your posts on this thread ( and I suggest as you live no-where near Gwynedd you should also) and go and do something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Holt Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) Where does it say in the HO guidance that police SHOULD NOT check the security arrangements of certificate holders? Try reading it !!!!.. it does not say that police should not check security arrangements , what it does say is they must contact you first to make arrangements to do so, not turn up unannounced Edited November 28, 2012 by Davy Holt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy130 Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Where does it say in the HO guidance that police SHOULD NOT check the security arrangements of certificate holders? It does not. but it does say 3) The spot checks go against Home Office guidance, which states that home visits should be arranged by prior appointment at a mutually convenient time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 TOPDOWN, This Post was to warn people in Gwynedd about spot checks, just to prompt them that if they are out shooting on Sunday night late, to lock up their guns rather than waiting till morning to clean them before putting them away etc! as all you seem to want to do is winge and complain (i have better things to do) I will now ignor your posts on this thread ( and I suggest as you live no-where near Gwynedd you should also) and go and do something else. Not what your original post said though was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy130 Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 ok and tell them their LEGAL RIGHT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Try reading it !!!!.. it does not say that police should not check security arrangements , what it does say is they must contact you first to make arrangements to do so, not turn up unannounced I'll invite you to take your own advice. It says "Visits should, wherever possible, be made by prior appointment and take place at a mutually convenient time". Even if it didn't say that I'm not sure that visiting to ensure safe storage would be a worthwhile exercise if you phone ahead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 It does not. but it does say 3) The spot checks go against Home Office guidance, which states that home visits should be arranged by prior appointment at a mutually convenient time. It missed out a part of the paragraph though. Which I have just posted. The BASC line on this is way off. 1. Makes no sense unless they announce with a loud hailer why they are there. 2. No-one said they did but this is not a reason for objection to it. 3. We have already discussed. Still no word on why you object so strongly. Interesting that you should need to prompt people in your area not to leave their guns out overnight! Co-incidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I think the point is that they are going way beyond their remit by appearing on people's doorsteps uninvited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Holt Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'll invite you to take your own advice. It says "Visits should, wherever possible, be made by prior appointment and take place at a mutually convenient time". Splitting hairs now are we not . Even if it didn't say that I'm not sure that visiting to ensure safe storage would be a worthwhile exercise if you phone ahead? Sorry but thats your oppinion and counts for nothing... the only one that matters is the one of the Home office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I don't see how it is way beyond their remit. The "remit" is public safety. This includes safe storage of firearms in my opinion. The realities of this mean that uninvited visits are the least intrusive option. Unless it's just me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigsy Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I wonder if a warrant is obtained, would the door get taken off at 5 in the morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy130 Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 yup, just YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Splitting hairs now are we not Not really, It was the basis of your argument. Sorry but thats your oppinion and counts for nothing... the only one that matters is the one of the Home office I'm not sure the Home Office have a published opinion on the bleeding obvious. I wonder if a warrant is obtained, would the door get taken off at 5 in the morning? No fear. That would involve paying overtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Do many Gwynedd shooters spend Monday hanging around at home waiting for plod to arrive unannounced ? Wonder if this is due to a new PCC as north Wales police cover all of north Wales not just Gwynedd don't see how it would be just Gwynedd unless there is one FLO for the county who is doing some spot checks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 It seems a very strange pilot to run. Would be bizarre to routinely task someone to it. Can't find anything on NWP's website to say why either. Could well be a PCC bringing in some "ideas". The FEO's normally have a territory but if BASC have it right it would involve uniformed officers as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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