ajb403 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I've got a Series 3 V8 with an EFI engine in it which is perfect power to weight for a LR Is the engine actually in it now (and running?!) or is it still sat on a pallet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Getting dropped in this weekend, still running though! Old ones been ripped out and snows gone so its time to bung this one in and fling it through the MOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb403 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Getting dropped in this weekend, still running though! I'm pretty sure you told us that 3 weeks ago... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 im getting quite put off now, looks like i will be keeping my trusty defender I drove a FL2 for 2 years and have had a D3 for ~18 months. Neither one has ever broken down and left me stranded. The D3 had high mileage and needed some bits doing, but I got it cheap and so I am not worried. I honestly don't believe there is a car out there that can touch the D3/4. They are very capable off road. Great in snow. Fantastic ground clearance - wading depth on a D3 is 700mm [cf 500mm on the Defender]. Then she'll cruise at 80mph on the motorway all day long. You can hold a conversation with your passenger at the same time (cf a double cab I used to have). They are made in England! A set of decent AT tyres and it will do almost anything you can ask of it in comfort and style. They've sold over a million Discoveries - people are bound to have had problems. Most are not money pits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I'm pretty sure you told us that 3 weeks ago... ;-) Shush it snowed and then I got sidetracked by other stuff like building bumpers and messing with the PS3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 disco 3 have heard of cranks breaking, plenty of electrics on them and the early ones aren't overly great plus will have been thrashed a bit by now l322 is better than a P38, the TDV8 engine being lovely, interior will outclass disco too unless you get a full HSE spec, tbh I'm not sure which is the lesser of two evils…….the range rover will cost a lot to fix as will the disco parts wise but you get a nicer space in the RR to wait for the AA truck to turn up…. You're kidding on the D3 right? You forgot - Oil filled bottom arm bushes Anti-roll bar links Anti roll bar bushes Electronic parkbrake linkages Electronic parkbrake servo Spare wheel carrier mechanism failure Wheel bearing collapse which leads to warped brake disc's and calibers cooking an the need to replace the whole hub. EGR valves shutting down (cant be plugged off on the 07 onwards) Reverse sensor terminal block corroding leading to sensor failure. Air compressor pump mounts corroding away if you don't carry out the "housing mod" (drilling holes to let the water and crud out) The above are the common ones, mine also got - Power steering pump and a gear position sensor - oh and don't forget the approx £1000 bill for timing belts on the D3 at 7 years or around 100k miles the labour is so high as there is a belt front and back of the engine - this job could lead to the oil pump bolts shearing in the block and the requirement for a new engine (the reason some I dependant dealers won't touch this job now) and some Landrover dealerships are saying they will not cover the timing belt work for the usual year as its a "wear and tear item" - this is the reason I sold my D3 (or the final straw anyway) The L322 range rovers were only really known for gearbox replacements and that was between 80-100k - once done they are fine. some of the comments on D3's here are comical! I am a BIG Landrover fan and have owned a fair few but the D3 is a bigger donkey than the P38 ever was! Look underneath one and tell me how many of the electrical connectors are exposed! - this on a car that has around 5 ecu's.... I would advise you speak to an I dependant dealer or your brother as I would bet he has had horror stories on the D3's.... Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 You're kidding on the D3 right? You forgot - Oil filled bottom arm bushes Anti-roll bar links Anti roll bar bushes Electronic parkbrake linkages Electronic parkbrake servo Spare wheel carrier mechanism failure Wheel bearing collapse which leads to warped brake disc's and calibers cooking an the need to replace the whole hub. EGR valves shutting down (cant be plugged off on the 07 onwards) Reverse sensor terminal block corroding leading to sensor failure. Air compressor pump mounts corroding away if you don't carry out the "housing mod" (drilling holes to let the water and crud out) The above are the common ones, mine also got - Power steering pump and a gear position sensor - oh and don't forget the approx £1000 bill for timing belts on the D3 at 7 years or around 100k miles the labour is so high as there is a belt front and back of the engine - this job could lead to the oil pump bolts shearing in the block and the requirement for a new engine (the reason some I dependant dealers won't touch this job now) and some Landrover dealerships are saying they will not cover the timing belt work for the usual year as its a "wear and tear item" - this is the reason I sold my D3 (or the final straw anyway) The L322 range rovers were only really known for gearbox replacements and that was between 80-100k - once done they are fine. some of the comments on D3's here are comical! I am a BIG Landrover fan and have owned a fair few but the D3 is a bigger donkey than the P38 ever was! Look underneath one and tell me how many of the electrical connectors are exposed! - this on a car that has around 5 ecu's.... I would advise you speak to an I dependant dealer or your brother as I would bet he has had horror stories on the D3's.... Regards, Gixer In that case L322 Just got to decide if you want the petrol or derv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I've got a Series 3 V8 with an EFI engine in near it which is perfect power to weight for a LR, Fixed it for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Fixed it for you bastid I'll be in it on sunday afternoon or maybe saturday afternoon if I can be ***** doing it without my sunday helper…… may just rope him in for helping plumb the rad up, depends who picks up the engine though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 You're kidding on the D3 right? You forgot - Oil filled bottom arm bushes Anti-roll bar links Anti roll bar bushes Electronic parkbrake linkages Electronic parkbrake servo Spare wheel carrier mechanism failure Wheel bearing collapse which leads to warped brake disc's and calibers cooking an the need to replace the whole hub. EGR valves shutting down (cant be plugged off on the 07 onwards) Reverse sensor terminal block corroding leading to sensor failure. Air compressor pump mounts corroding away if you don't carry out the "housing mod" (drilling holes to let the water and crud out) The above are the common ones, mine also got - Power steering pump and a gear position sensor - oh and don't forget the approx £1000 bill for timing belts on the D3 at 7 years or around 100k miles the labour is so high as there is a belt front and back of the engine - this job could lead to the oil pump bolts shearing in the block and the requirement for a new engine (the reason some I dependant dealers won't touch this job now) and some Landrover dealerships are saying they will not cover the timing belt work for the usual year as its a "wear and tear item" - this is the reason I sold my D3 (or the final straw anyway) The L322 range rovers were only really known for gearbox replacements and that was between 80-100k - once done they are fine. some of the comments on D3's here are comical! I am a BIG Landrover fan and have owned a fair few but the D3 is a bigger donkey than the P38 ever was! Look underneath one and tell me how many of the electrical connectors are exposed! - this on a car that has around 5 ecu's.... I would advise you speak to an I dependant dealer or your brother as I would bet he has had horror stories on the D3's.... Regards, Gixer . Wow you have really gone to town on scaring him away from the better of the 2 options!! I have had a disco 3 on a 55 plate for over 2 years now and I love the thing! It will go anywhere that I need go wether it be to the shops my locall shoot or right up into the highlands of Scotland fully loaded with dogs and family and all the gear for a week away! The engine is far superior in the disco to the range rover the is bags more space and are a very comfy vehicle. If you look for one around a 55 plate on lower miles a the faults are generally ironed out as they have happened by that age, in nearly 2 and a half years mine has passed both mots had 3 services 1 wheel bearing 2 track rod ends and new disks and pads. You will get good or bad of any car but if you do your homework on the disco before you buy you will get a good one and not regret it! I will be getting another after this one and my dad has just bought one of his own after being so impressed with mine ( he has been a mechanic for 35 years so knows what he is looking at !!) Get yourself onto www.disco3.co.uk and find out more about them. If gixer1 had been lucky and had a good one they would be a gear car but sounds like he had been unlucky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) . Wow you have really gone to town on scaring him away from the better of the 2 options!! I have had a disco 3 on a 55 plate for over 2 years now and I love the thing! It will go anywhere that I need go wether it be to the shops my locall shoot or right up into the highlands of Scotland fully loaded with dogs and family and all the gear for a week away! The engine is far superior in the disco to the range rover the is bags more space and are a very comfy vehicle. If you look for one around a 55 plate on lower miles a the faults are generally ironed out as they have happened by that age, in nearly 2 and a half years mine has passed both mots had 3 services 1 wheel bearing 2 track rod ends and new disks and pads. You will get good or bad of any car but if you do your homework on the disco before you buy you will get a good one and not regret it! I will be getting another after this one and my dad has just bought one of his own after being so impressed with mine ( he has been a mechanic for 35 years so knows what he is looking at !!) Get yourself onto www.disco3.co.uk and find out more about them. If gixer1 had been lucky and had a good one they would be a gear car but sounds like he had been unlucky! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1296607/Land-Rovers-voted-nations-unreliable-cars-consumer-watchdog.html Oh, and to add to the above - I have owned quite a few LR's and used to work for the main dealership. Also - yours may have travelled to the highlands but mine lived there! So it was used as intended! Anyone who isn't sure about this should have a look under a disco 3 for exposed connectors, or speak to barrelsniffer or James off of here - both of which were punting on D3's due to the money pit aspect. What mileage is yours on Ben?? Edited January 30, 2013 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Interesting reads here : I'm actually contemplating going for a late TD6 Range Rover, or (less likely) one of the early TDV8s. A tax bill came in considerably less than was anticipated, and I do rather fancy spoiling myself. If I do, then I promise that if it all goes horribly wrong, I will post so you can all have a laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Mine is currently on 86k but many of the listed faults have been sorted a few by me as stated and others by previous owner. I could list dozens of cars people I know have had that's been problematics and others have loved! My dad has owned may landrovers over the years and they are what you make of them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 TDV8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Mine is currently on 86k but many of the listed faults have been sorted a few by me as stated and others by previous owner. I could list dozens of cars people I know have had that's been problematics and others have loved! My dad has owned may landrovers over the years and they are what you make of them!! That fits! Lets see what your saying when you get to around the 100k! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 TDV8. Yup, the TDV8 is very nice. But ... they are cambelts, whereas the TD6 in chaincam (and a very long-proven BMW engine, at that) For the money I'm looking at, the TDV8 would be pretty early, probably with big miles on it. I've always thought of LR as a company that used paying customers as beta-testers (and yes, I've had LRs and RRs in the past). For the same money, a TD6 will be late, so pretty well sorted, and probably with reasonable mileage. I know people slate the TD6 power compared to the TDV8, but if you remember when the TD6 came out, it was as about as quick as the 'old' P38 4.0 petrols, and was raved over as amazing. If I want a sports car and performance, I'll go buy one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Go V6 then, uprate intercooler and get a map will have V8 power then (or closer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Yup, the TDV8 is very nice. But ... they are cambelts, whereas the TD6 in chaincam (and a very long-proven BMW engine, at that) For the money I'm looking at, the TDV8 would be pretty early, probably with big miles on it. I've always thought of LR as a company that used paying customers as beta-testers (and yes, I've had LRs and RRs in the past). For the same money, a TD6 will be late, so pretty well sorted, and probably with reasonable mileage. I know people slate the TD6 power compared to the TDV8, but if you remember when the TD6 came out, it was as about as quick as the 'old' P38 4.0 petrols, and was raved over as amazing. If I want a sports car and performance, I'll go buy one Sounds sensible to me - I know an ex BM mechanic that has always said the straight 6 was better in the range rover than it ever was in a Bavarian car! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 looks like iv got 2 choices, stay clear of them both, or just buy one and hope fopr the best, i do no millage at all really, my defender sits in the garage pretty much all week and only used at weekends, so i might get lucky, as much as i like them both i think i like the range rover better.but only just. thanks for all the replys chaps. Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Sell the fender, put the money towards a nice limited model fender or use some of the budget to spec up the interior so its like a range rover inside it can be done! P38 interior costs you £200 for a mint one, front seats need some new support rails, line doors behind cards, do headlining and tub, second heater matrix hidden behind rear bulkhead for warmth, extra sound proofing in footwells, new paint job, use the rest for beer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Mine is currently on 86k but many of the listed faults have been sorted a few by me as stated and others by previous owner. I could list dozens of cars people I know have had that's been problematics and others have loved! My dad has owned may landrovers over the years and they are what you make of them!! Mine has 144K on her. (58 reg) From the survey "The Kia Picanto was the more reliable of all cars" get one of those if your main concern is reliability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Mine has 144K on her. (58 reg) From the survey "The Kia Picanto was the more reliable of all cars" get one of those if your main concern is reliability. With no issue's Apache?? - I'm not saying you can't run a disco 3 - you can - you just need to be prepared to have to put parts and do repairs on it - I am a very big green oval fan but the fact is a 40 odd thousand pound vehicle should be designed to and manage 3 years without a major issue - the discovery 3 covers neither of these points i'm afraid. Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanelliot Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Simple as this mate - look at what they use in the Far East when it all kicks off - Toyota Landcruisers. Specifically a late 1998 HDJ80 model fitted with the manual gearbox and 4.2 24v turbo Diesel engine. Trust me this is all the car you will ever need, and will rip anything that land rover have produced in half without even trying. Don't expect to find a low mileage i.e under 80k miles for anything less than £12k !! Scour the planet they are out there but damn hard to find - I promise you will not get a better, more reliable stronger built 4x4 - FACT !!! I have owned virtually all land rovers, Nissan patrol, various pajeros, new ford ranger, bmw x5, Suzuki grand vitara, jeep grand Cherokee overland, and a VW touareg - nothing and I mean NOTHING comes close to my hdj80 land cruisers and I've owned 2. Forget the land rover unless you have plenty of spare money and enjoy sleepless nights because it will cost you, not if, it's when - all I can say is get ready, the cheque book is gonna hurt big time ! Best of luck mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus77 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) ooooh reminds me of this vid only 12 years old http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDmyC1tvQFc G wagen Edited January 31, 2013 by maxus77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathanelliot Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Oh yeah nearly forgot, which genius designed the D3 so you can't change the turbo without taking the body off ?? Outstanding land rover !!!! Go Toyota fella - tis the only way ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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