JonathanL Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Section 57 was a 1968 act which has been revised in 1982, 88, 91, 92, 94, 97, 98 and the most up to date is 2002 Section 57(1), which is the part which defines the word 'firearm' for the purposes of the Act has not been amended at all. It reads the same as it did in 1968. The link below is to the official government web page containing the section on which all the amendments are noted. http://www.legislati...8/27/section/57 I'm NOT qualified in Firearms Law, I still maintain I personally Wouldn’t give/sell/loan Shotgun Barrels or any other Pressure bearing Section Two part to anybody other than an RFD or Shotgun licence holder because I feel it’s Wrong, possibly against the law and slightly irresponsible giving gun parts to a Non trained or Qualified person to Repair ! You do not need to be 'qualified' in firearms law (I'm not aware of any specific qualification in firearms law, for that matter) to be able to read English and the Firearms Act, specifically section 57, was written in English last time I checked - which was about three minutes ago. Section 57 says, quite specifically, that a component part which is part of a firearm which is excluded from section 1 is not a firearm in its own right. Hence, it is not controlled and no one commits any offence in possessing it. To reiterate, yet again, it says; "and so much of section 1 of this Act as excludes any description of firearm from the category of firearms to which that section applies shall be construed as also excluding component parts of, and accessories to, firearms of that description. Whether you 'feel' it to be wrong is not the point. I note that you are now saying that it is only 'possibly' against the law yet we have even had a ex firearms licensing manager telling you that it categorically is not and even giving you an example that he has personal experience of where someone who was not an RFD made a shotgun for someone in such a manner that he was only ever in possession of components and never a complete shotgun. On balandce, then,. who is likely to be correct - you or him? So when you’re Ribs pop off or your barrel Bursts don’t come running to me asking me if I know a good Gunsmith Would you take your family car to a non qualified "Car repairer”? I fail to see what this has got to do with your argument that it is illegal. Now have a read of the 2002 HO Firearms Law guidance to the Police, read it all and see if you can find the Quoted "Bits" on here They look a little different! You are wrong. It says very specifically that a shotgun component is not a shotgun. It has already been quoted on this thread. J. 1.6 The Secretary of State and the Scottish Ministers attach great importance to the consistent administration of the Acts, as does the Association of Chief Officers of Police. All forces should seek to comply with the advice and guidance and follow the procedures set out in this document. However, chief officers of police are the ultimate authority responsible for the administration of the legislation in their force area, and it may be necessary to depart from the guidance when each case is assessed on its merits and the circumstances justify such a course of action. In such circumstances, chief officers for the force concerned will need to be able to justify their decision. ?? Of what relevance is this to the discussion? J. Edited February 13, 2013 by JonathanL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 If Section 57 is a struggle, read it in conjunction with Chapter 2 Para 2.8 of HO Guidance 2002. Couldn't be clearer: http://www.countryside-alliance.org.uk/ca/file/HO-Firearms-Guidance.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Well!!! After a quick conversation with my licensing Manager it would appear morally I’m right but Legally I’m Wrong Anybody can own Shotgun Barrels! In my Defence The answers I have been given by Various Gunsmiths Gunmakers and other RFD's were contradicted by Northants Police. I would also add that as a RFD, if in doubt you have to err on the side of caution. I still Stick by my Guns , I wouldn’t personally Give, sell or loan Shotgun barrels or other pressure bearing parts to Non license holders or Non RFD's , nor would I trust Non Gunsmith's with doing repairs on said items I have to say as well 100% of the RFD's i've spoken to over the last Week or so Agree Strongly with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 What I say fair enough if you wouldn't trust anyone without a licence to work on a shotgun component that is perfectly wihin your right since it would be your licence that would be in jeopardy if somebody tried to prosecute. I respect your view even though it is legally wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Well!!! After a quick conversation with my licensing Manager it would appear morally I’m right but Legally I’m Wrong Anybody can own Shotgun Barrels! In my Defence The answers I have been given by Various Gunsmiths Gunmakers and other RFD's were contradicted by Northants Police. I would also add that as a RFD, if in doubt you have to err on the side of caution. I still Stick by my Guns , I wouldn’t personally Give, sell or loan Shotgun barrels or other pressure bearing parts to Non license holders or Non RFD's , nor would I trust Non Gunsmith's with doing repairs on said items I have to say as well 100% of the RFD's i've spoken to over the last Week or so Agree Strongly with me That's what I said last week about anyone can own shotgun barrels. We have had this topic before, some time last year and the conclusion was the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted February 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Thanks for clearing it up WB. Seems like everyone agrees now . So it is legal, but maybe frowned upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 the authorities can frown upon it as much as they like,,it is perfectly legal to let any thomas richard harold re blue shotgun barrels even without a licence,,lets be honest re blueing as in cold blueing would not alter the barrels in any way ,well as long as they didn,t use a grinder to get the original blueing off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Thanks for clearing it up WB. Seems like everyone agrees now . So it is legal, but maybe frowned upon. No it isn't. It's a well known piece of law and has been law since 1968. The police, nor anyone else, 'frowns' upon it and owning a spare set of shotgun barrels cannot in anyway go against you in any proceeding or any decision as to whether you should or should not be granted a certificate. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Well!!! After a quick conversation with my licensing Manager it would appear morally I’m right but Legally I’m Wrong Anybody can own Shotgun Barrels! Yep, you seem surprised by this?In my Defence The answers I have been given by Various Gunsmiths Gunmakers and other RFD's were contradicted by Northants Police. I would also add that as a RFD, if in doubt you have to err on the side of caution. I still Stick by my Guns , I wouldn’t personally Give, sell or loan Shotgun barrels or other pressure bearing parts to Non license holders or Non RFD's , nor would I trust Non Gunsmith's with doing repairs on said items I have to say as well 100% of the RFD's i've spoken to over the last Week or so Agree Strongly with me Ah the closed shop remains closed........ how do you qualify as a gunsmith? What makes a "gunsmith" as opposed to a tinkerer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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