Hamster Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) As the opening statement is such that the energy levels are satisfactory is taken for granted and as as has been shown 7.5 more often than not (if not, in fact, always) has a higher pellet count than required, what is the need for, "through tight chokes"? Surely, all this achieves is, assuming the bird is killed within the effective energy level range is to render it unpalatable. In my case it's a combination of things, I don't shoot clays with open chokes as the breaks tend to be chippy and also tighter patterns tend to force a bit of focus into you. Perhaps even more importantly though I simply believe it takes a few pellets to give more instant kills. There are some very old charts available made in early part of the 20th century that profess to know it takes X number of pellets on a pheasant for example to ensure a good kill; from memory these reckon a quarter choke to be more than enough for 40 yards or more simply not my experience though. You know the ones, photo of a pheasant in the middle of a pattern showing it has received 3 or more pellet strikes, excellent magazine fodder but as I said just not true in real life in my view. I love using very open chokes when decoying and when everything goes right but in practice you have to be prepared to make a bag when things are less than perfect, the hide itself can often mean you've no way of ensuring everything comes in at 25 yards so having the ability to take telling shots at 35 yards + is a benefit. Edited March 6, 2013 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Was it not Digweed that shot a shed-load of woodpigeon (6-700 iirc) with either 34gm 5 or 6`s? Why would a clay shot, of his calibre (sorry, no pun intended), not shoot with 7.5`s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) Was it not Digweed that shot a shed-load of woodpigeon (6-700 iirc) with either 34gm 5 or 6`s? Why would a clay shot, of his calibre (sorry, no pun intended), not shoot with 7.5`s? Because he gets his carts for free ? Or more than likely, clay loads dont kill long range pigeons. Edited March 6, 2013 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Because he gets his carts for free ? Or more than likely, clay loads dont kill long range pigeons. yeah, he`s a great shot. inspirational, to buy proper cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Because he gets his carts for free ? Or more than likely, clay loads dont kill long range pigeons. Yes but surely mere mortals such as my self were to start taking shots at upto 80 yds I think has been quoted would just result in more misses and more winged/injured birds. Since I don't use a dog all to often that could spell disaster in its own right. Using 7s at the mo and classic game 2.5 inch and more than capable of killing birds in there tracks at the distances I can reliably hit them. Regards Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Was it not Digweed that shot a shed-load of woodpigeon (6-700 iirc) with either 34gm 5 or 6`s? Why would a clay shot, of his calibre (sorry, no pun intended), not shoot with 7.5`s? Because 7.5's aren't better for a start. As correctly pointed out he also gets his for free and has to use them for his live shooting as it encourages people to part with more money for what is essentially too much shell for decoying. I personally don't believe he regularly kills 80 yard pigeon but he is the man most likely to be able to place a full choke pattern of 5 or 6 shot on 50-60 yard birds and at that range and because of his inherent skill level he will get very good results. You and I won't be able to emulate him with any shot size and you will cause a lot of unnecessary wounding if you routinely shoot at monster range pigeon. Decoying is about bringing birds in, nothing more nothing less and the average man using say 1/2 choke and 7 shot will be more efficient than if he were to fire at 55 yarders with 35g of 5 shot through full choke. If for some reason Gamebore wanted to promote a pigeon load of 29g loaded with 7 shot, then I would put any money you like that GD would be filmed having the mother of all days knocking them bandy at 45 yards over decoys..................................all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingit Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I'm with,Hamster and Motty on this one.Although I use a No6 for the most part I have no worries about using a 7 1/2,they do the job very well indeed. For the record.One of the best game shots I have ever seen used nothing but open chokes and 7 1/2 Olympic trap for everything.Some of the high pheasant and ducks ( I'm talking 20 years ago ) he would kill,consistently, was quite outstanding.It was a joy to watch and not much ever got past him.I'm not sure if the gentleman is still alive but I am quite sure he would laugh in the face of anyone who told him that a 7 1/2 was not good enough for a pigeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Bought two boxs 50 cartridges of hull intercomp,24g to try out through my sxs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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