FOLDABLE STOCK ON A FAC SHOTGUN

[MECHANIC2009]

HI GUYS AND GALS,

 

DOES ANY BODY KNOW IF YOU ARE ALOUD A FOLDABLE STOCK ON A FAC SHOTGUN. I HAVE A 8+1 HATSAN ESCORT MPA BUT THE STOCK THAT IS ON IT AT THE MOMENT HAS A SMALL FRACTURE SO I WAS THINKING IF I REPLACED IT CAN I UP GRADE TO A FOLDABLE STOCK.

 

 

THANK

 

SIMON

[rec-baller]

i tried an ATI foldable stock on my Escort with a 28" barrel. it measured 39 3/4 " from the barrel to the pistol grip when the stock was folded, i asked my f.e.o about it and the reply was "" if you are seen out with it by a police officer and he ask,s to look at it- if he want,s to be funny with you ,you are breaking the 40 " rule !!, so i took it off and replaced it with an Ati Talon stock ,

if you need a new ATI stock i can supply them + accesories, just contact me

regards

shaun

[Steppenwolf]

Easy, just extend the stock when you are carrying it out in public. Half the coppers don't know what to look when looking at a firearm, at least the ones who are running exicse and customs don't and it's thier job to like spot guns, drugs etc. Lol makes you wonder.

[JonathanL]

Easy, just extend the stock when you are carrying it out in public. Half the coppers don't know what to look when looking at a firearm, at least the ones who are running exicse and customs don't and it's thier job to like spot guns, drugs etc. Lol makes you wonder.

 

But folding stocks do not count towards the overall length.

 

J.

[MiLisCer]

Easy, just extend the stock when you are carrying it out in public. Half the coppers don't know what to look when looking at a firearm, at least the ones who are running exicse and customs don't and it's thier job to like spot guns, drugs etc. Lol makes you wonder.

 

And the police do not do customs and excise. Customs officers do.

[klatuveradanikto]

There was a discussion regarding this on the PUMP CLUB thread a while ago, I read it like you do as being the overall length should be over 40 inches and as stated in the regs folding ,collapsable stocks do not count toward the overall measurement (either fully extended or collpased). It was pointed out to me that a review of the regs had taken place and the sentence regarding the folding, collapsable stock issue was no longer there?I got rid of my ATI stock on my Mossberg 500 on that basis ,I would like to see the regs in print though before i put another folding, collapsable stock on to one of my guns , hope this helps see attached paragraph from 2002 regs.

iv) any self-loading or pump-action smoothbore

 

gun which is not an air weapon or

 

chambered for .22 rimfire cartridges and

 

either has a barrel less than 24 inches

 

in length or (excluding any detachable,

 

folding, retractable or other moveable

 

butt-stock) is less than 40 inches in

 

length overall (section 5(1)(ac));

 

v) any smooth-bore revolver gun other than

 

one which is chambered for 9mm rimfire

 

cartridges or a muzzle-loading revolver

 

gun (section 5(1)(ad));

Edited March 18, 2013 by klatuveradanikto

[JonathanL]

There was a discussion regarding this on the PUMP CLUB thread a while ago, I read it like you do as being the overall length should be over 40 inches and as stated in the regs folding ,collapsable stocks do not count toward the overall measurement (either fully extended or collpased). It was pointed out to me that a review of the regs had taken place and the sentence regarding the folding, collapsable stock issue was no longer there?I got rid of my ATI stock on my Mossberg 500 on that basis ,I would like to see the regs in print though before i put another folding, collapsable stock on to one of my guns , hope this helps see attached paragraph from 2002 regs.

iv) any self-loading or pump-action smoothbore

 

gun which is not an air weapon or

 

chambered for .22 rimfire cartridges and

 

either has a barrel less than 24 inches

 

in length or (excluding any detachable,

 

folding, retractable or other moveable

 

butt-stock) is less than 40 inches in

 

length overall (section 5(1)(ac));

 

v) any smooth-bore revolver gun other than

 

one which is chambered for 9mm rimfire

 

cartridges or a muzzle-loading revolver

 

gun (section 5(1)(ad));

 

Yes, this is a direct quote from the 1988 Act which has not been amended or repealed. If you have such a stock and the gun is less than 40 inches overall then it is section 5. Moreover, if the gun has ever been in a state which would render it section 5 then it remains section 5 regardless of what you do to it subsequently. You cannot down grade something from section 5 other than by deactivating it.

 

Remarkable that this thread hasn't been closed like the 'open certificate' one given the standard of the adivice being given about possession of section 5 guns.

 

J.

[Mikaveli]

But folding stocks do not count towards the overall length.

 

J.

 

That's slightly outdated - now the guidance isn't that they "don't count", they're just measured from their folded / fully retracted state.

 

But if in that folded / retracted state, your pump / semi-auto shotgun (whether FAC or not) measures less than 40", you have a prohibited section 5 weapon! You'll lose your guns and probably go to prison. ...and yes, that still applies even if your gun is 'only a quarter of an inch' under!

 

If you're even remotely sensible, you won't cut it fine - it should comfortably exceed 40 inches from any angle (ie inline with the barrel or following the drop of the stock). I'd also ensure you're not including anything not permanently fixed in your measurement, such as external chokes.

[Steppenwolf]

Even worse, you can get pistol grip stocks on Midway, that would definately take a pump/semi auto below 40 inches.

[klatuveradanikto]

It seems a bit of a minefield this one i'd like to see a definative answer given using up to date regulations posted. I'd wager there are more than a few chaps with section 5 weapons in there lockers without even knowing it.

With refrence to my Mossberg 500 it did have a folding/collapsable stock on it but it was always used with a Hushpower barrel giving a overall length well in excess of 40 inches (without the stock even fitted) .Since selling that barrel as i did'nt need it the stock went at the same time so my Mossberg was never at any point section 5.

Edited March 19, 2013 by klatuveradanikto

[Will Poon]

This is a very grey area about foldable/adjustable stock for a shotgun as I have got rid if mine because I thought it was an illiagal part for my gun, everyone I've spoken to I.e the police have given me very different answers , infact 2 differnt answer from my local merseyside police, and from memory West Yorkshire police said to me no if its on a section 2 shotgun as it has to be measured from the back ofthe reciever as if NO stock was there but maybe if on a section 1 shotgun if it was used for a good reason I.e PSG shooting I'm even more confused

However there is one person that I've not asked that the police has suggested ,only because I keep forgetting are Registerd Firarms dealers as they deal with guns on a daily basis .

[JonathanL]

That's slightly outdated - now the guidance isn't that they "don't count", they're just measured from their folded / fully retracted state.

 

 

That is clearly the most sensible way to do it. However, I'm not sure that the above is correct. The Act says that any folding or detachable stock shall be exckuded from the measurement. That would suggest that the gun should be measured from the muzzle to the back of the receiver. That probably isn't what Parliament intended but it's how it worded the Act. Perhaps there is an appeal court judgement somewhere to clarify the matter?

 

J.

[Mikaveli]

That is clearly the most sensible way to do it. However, I'm not sure that the above is correct. The Act says that any folding or detachable stock shall be exckuded from the measurement. That would suggest that the gun should be measured from the muzzle to the back of the receiver. That probably isn't what Parliament intended but it's how it worded the Act. Perhaps there is an appeal court judgement somewhere to clarify the matter?

 

J.

 

Well, I wouldn't chance it either way. My Hatstand has a non-folding pistol grip stock, meaning the gun measures 44" overall - even that feels 'naughty' compared to a 50" plus O/U etc.

 

To legally fit a pistol grip, the rest of the gun needs to be soo long, it really defeats the point over here IMHO.